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Re: Wild Parrot

Postby Pajarita » Sun Jul 16, 2017 11:56 am

I don't know who can help you with this because the key to photoperiodism is twilight and there isn't yet any technology that reproduces it so the only thing we have for now and the foreseeable future is sunlight and the way it changes with the earth's orbit around the sun. In the morning, at dawn, a bird's internal 'stop-watch' gets turned on and, in the evening, at dusk, it gets turned off - the number of hours in between these two events is registered by the body through the photoreceptors in the brain and determines the seasons, regulates sexual hormone and melatonin production among other things. People used to believe that 12L/12D (12 hours of light and 12 hours of darkness) would work for birds but we now know it doesn't because all companion and aviary species will produce sexual hormones all the time under this schedule. Birds have other triggers (aka environmental clues) in the wild but we cannot reproduce them in captivity because it would require pretty much starving them in the winter or giving them extremely inclement weather -two things we can't do.

See these:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 160500035X

https://www.readbyqxmd.com/read/1667589 ... pical-bird

https://link.springer.com/article/10.10 ... 007-0172-y


I used to work full time and still kept my birds to a strict solar schedule but it implied keeping them always in the same room, having the overhead lights on timers, my cleaning/feeding/watering in the dark and no interaction except for weekends during the winter months - and that's why I stopped working. It's not only that the birds missed me and were deprived of the company of the human they loved, it's that you need to check on them twice a day and that requires light :D You need to see if they are eating and pooping well as well the level of energy they have before breakfast, after breakfast, etc. if they have wounds or discharge, if their plumage looks OK, etc. You can't do all this unless you are there both in the morning and in the evening...

My birds are kept at a lower temperature during the winter but not lower than 65 and without A/C during the summer unless the temperature goes higher than 85.
Pajarita
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Re: Wild Parrot

Postby Sheils » Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:28 pm

Hi Pajarita - Thank you for advise - I work 3 days day shift 3 days night shift and 3 days off now that means I am 6 of the 9 days with the birds during the day seeing to all their needs monitor their poop clean their cages every day and also give them purify water. they play outside on their cages and sometimes Tiekie (the wild one) will come down from her cage and explore so I am actually most of the time with them it's just my 3 day shift that i only see them at night then I also try to spend as much time with them as possible but they also have a schedule they know when it's time to go sleep and they are use to that. So i'm sure they know the difference between day and night. The reason I move them from one room to the other is that it's winter now in South Africa and I live on a farm and there is a big dam near us so it can get very cold at night that is the only reason i moved them into my bedroom and also for Tiekie to get use to me and i also interact with her in the room. Tiekie is eating less sunflower seeds as there is so many thing in the chop I made for them is a matter of fact Kiko is also not eating that much of his pellets because he digs in with Tiekie so I'm so happy that she is eating other things then just sunflower seeds and she is also getting use to me walking pass her cage without her moving away, so I think I'm doing something right?????
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Re: Wild Parrot

Postby Pajarita » Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:50 am

Well, you see, the thing about photoperiodism and it's direct effect on the endocrine system has nothing to do with what the bird learns is its schedule for awake or asleep periods. It's about their body being exposed to light. Period. It doesn't even have anything to do with actual sleeping because they are not like mammals. We, mammals, have only photoreceptors in our eyes so, when we close them, that's it for our body in terms of light but birds have photoreceptors deep inside their brains, very powerful ones that perceive light that actually shines through their skull (the cranium bones) which are very thin precisely because of this. So, even if the bird is fast asleep, if there is light, its body will be registering daylight.

As to your doing 'something right'... well, I am sure that you are doing A LOT of things right but, when it comes to keeping parrots in captivity, I am afraid that none of us is doing everything right. I wish I believed that I am doing things right but I know too much about parrots and I am too honest with myself for it. Captivity is real hard on parrots! I do mean REAL HARD! We really don't do them any favors by making them our pets. Quite the contrary - we pretty much screw up their entire lives! I once read an article written by an avian vet who specialized in necropsies (he was a professor) and he mentioned that their internal organs always look as if they had been 'besieged' by stress their entire lives. This phrase stuck in my brain as I was completely horrified when I read it... Imagine that - we keep animals in captivity that suffer from chronic stress caused by us! And this is why I am so strict about their diet, the light quality and schedule they are under, their being fully flighted, their having companions of their own or similar species, their being allowed to go through the motions of breeding, their natural daily biorhythms, etc. And why I do constant research in order to improve their lives as much as I can with the few things that we know make their lives healthier and happier! Because the mere thought of me, an animal lover, causing an animal such suffering is unbearable!

If I were you, I would forego the three nights of interacting with them so I could keep them at a solar schedule because doing it the other 6 days out of 9 will not work.
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Re: Wild Parrot

Postby Sheils » Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:00 am

Hi, thank you ones again for this advise this is a very good one and also sad to know what these poor birds go through. I'm trying my best to make everything comfortable for them as possible, I had another IRN for about 15 years which i hand fed from baby, unfortunately he pass away and as far as I know they can out live us but that was very sad because he was up and about eating and nothing was wrong with him I just found him dead in the morning :( but yes myself is an animal lover to any kind of animal if I could have my own universe I will Live alone with all kind of animals but to get to our birds this was a very interesting topic that you mentioned and I will also bear in mind to what you said. Any way this is a fantastic site and I must say I have learned allot from here, and be sure i will keep you updated about Tiekie ( wild one) she is doing fine and she is also starting to take from my hand but she first want to give me a bite and then she will take what ever I give her she is slowly but surely starting to get use to me. One question about Kiko, his feet looks a yellowish orange color and it seems like its peeling is that normal because my other birds never had that and Tiekie's feet don't look like his was just wondering. Will chat again.
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