Aviator Harness

[Cage Cleaner]

Gl

[Wolf]

I understand what you are saying. Pajarita is right that cockatiels tend to be easily stressed and they do tend to be more timid than many other parrot species. She believes that being more cautious about stressing them out is better than not. Many people don't even consider this or other feelings that the bird has and tries to show through their body language and some know that their body language is a communication thing but want something to the point that they misread the body language. Pajarita is 100% about the birds well being and all else just doesn't matter to her. Try reading her postings with that as her motivation and perhaps you will see what she is saying in a different light. I know that she means no disrespect and that the birds side is all that is on her mind and in her heart.
This is one of the areas that she and I don't always agree on as for me there is evidence in both directions about the pros and cons of taking these birds out into public places and the stresses involved with it. She is saying that she would not do this and so advises against it, but she knows that you must make up your own mind about it and you can get one side of it easily on all of the different bird sites, she wants you to be aware of he other side as well.
This is one of those areas that you should be aware of both sides of the issue and watch your birds actions before, during and after your outings so that you can gauge the amount and type of stress involved for yourself. I don't know what the end results will show over time, but do try to keep an open mind about it until there is enough evidence to make up my mind about it. So far all I can see is that it depends on the individual bird with some it appears to work for and other it seems to stress them all too much. You are the only one in the position to tell what effects it has on your bird. Share and keep us informed on how it goes with yours. his is a forum and there will always be those who agree with you as well as those that don't and most of them have valid reasons for their beliefs and you can use all of it to your advantage.

[ParrotsForLife]

I understand what you are saying. Pajarita is right that cockatiels tend to be easily stressed and they do tend to be more timid than many other parrot species. She believes that being more cautious about stressing them out is better than not. Many people don't even consider this or other feelings that the bird has and tries to show through their body language and some know that their body language is a communication thing but want something to the point that they misread the body language. Pajarita is 100% about the birds well being and all else just doesn't matter to her. Try reading her postings with that as her motivation and perhaps you will see what she is saying in a different light. I know that she means no disrespect and that the birds side is all that is on her mind and in her heart.
This is one of the areas that she and I don't always agree on as for me there is evidence in both directions about the pros and cons of taking these birds out into public places and the stresses involved with it. She is saying that she would not do this and so advises against it, but she knows that you must make up your own mind about it and you can get one side of it easily on all of the different bird sites, she wants you to be aware of he other side as well.
This is one of those areas that you should be aware of both sides of the issue and watch your birds actions before, during and after your outings so that you can gauge the amount and type of stress involved for yourself. I don't know what the end results will show over time, but do try to keep an open mind about it until there is enough evidence to make up my mind about it. So far all I can see is that it depends on the individual bird with some it appears to work for and other it seems to stress them all too much. You are the only one in the position to tell what effects it has on your bird. Share and keep us informed on how it goes with yours. his is a forum and there will always be those who agree with you as well as those that don't and most of them have valid reasons for their beliefs and you can use all of it to your advantage.

She was also saying theres no way to tell if a bird is stressed but there is and i can admit Rocko was stressed on the way home

[ParrotsForLife]

After a while, the bird should become desensitized enough to not automatically peck/bite/chew the harness, but it's going to be something that will come with a lot of harness time. So in the meantime, distraction is the best way.

Harnesses are dangerous to have on the bird without active supervision anyway, so the idea that the bird will just stand there passively with it on isn't something that should be a goal.

I want him not to bite it so he dosent destroy it not so i can not watch him of course im gonna have active supervisiion on him thats the whole point in the harness to have fun with the bird and watch them have a good time

[Pajarita]

[quote="Cagecleaner]


That study is on telomeres, not directly on lifespan. Telomeres are still scientifically dubious in what exactly they represent.[/quote]

Nope, you are behind the times scientifically speaking, of course

See these:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3314169/
http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/ ... telomeres/
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 213144.htm

[Pajarita]

I understand what you are saying. Pajarita is right that cockatiels tend to be easily stressed and they do tend to be more timid than many other parrot species. She believes that being more cautious about stressing them out is better than not. Many people don't even consider this or other feelings that the bird has and tries to show through their body language and some know that their body language is a communication thing but want something to the point that they misread the body language. Pajarita is 100% about the birds well being and all else just doesn't matter to her. Try reading her postings with that as her motivation and perhaps you will see what she is saying in a different light. I know that she means no disrespect and that the birds side is all that is on her mind and in her heart.
This is one of the areas that she and I don't always agree on as for me there is evidence in both directions about the pros and cons of taking these birds out into public places and the stresses involved with it. She is saying that she would not do this and so advises against it, but she knows that you must make up your own mind about it and you can get one side of it easily on all of the different bird sites, she wants you to be aware of he other side as well.
This is one of those areas that you should be aware of both sides of the issue and watch your birds actions before, during and after your outings so that you can gauge the amount and type of stress involved for yourself. I don't know what the end results will show over time, but do try to keep an open mind about it until there is enough evidence to make up my mind about it. So far all I can see is that it depends on the individual bird with some it appears to work for and other it seems to stress them all too much. You are the only one in the position to tell what effects it has on your bird. Share and keep us informed on how it goes with yours. his is a forum and there will always be those who agree with you as well as those that don't and most of them have valid reasons for their beliefs and you can use all of it to your advantage.

She was also saying theres no way to tell if a bird is stressed but there is and i can admit Rocko was stressed on the way home

You might believe you can tell but, personally, I've cared for hundreds of parrots and over a period of over 20 years (50 if you count passerines) and, as much as I observe birds on a daily basis and have tried to learn all the subtle nuances of their body language, I would never say that I know for a fact what they are feeling. So you will have to forgive me if I don't think you can do it. It's not that I think that you are lying, mind you, but anybody who believes what he wants to believe and nonchalantly disregards solid scientific studies to the contrary can not be considered a reliable observer.

[ParrotsForLife]

I understand what you are saying. Pajarita is right that cockatiels tend to be easily stressed and they do tend to be more timid than many other parrot species. She believes that being more cautious about stressing them out is better than not. Many people don't even consider this or other feelings that the bird has and tries to show through their body language and some know that their body language is a communication thing but want something to the point that they misread the body language. Pajarita is 100% about the birds well being and all else just doesn't matter to her. Try reading her postings with that as her motivation and perhaps you will see what she is saying in a different light. I know that she means no disrespect and that the birds side is all that is on her mind and in her heart.
This is one of the areas that she and I don't always agree on as for me there is evidence in both directions about the pros and cons of taking these birds out into public places and the stresses involved with it. She is saying that she would not do this and so advises against it, but she knows that you must make up your own mind about it and you can get one side of it easily on all of the different bird sites, she wants you to be aware of he other side as well.
This is one of those areas that you should be aware of both sides of the issue and watch your birds actions before, during and after your outings so that you can gauge the amount and type of stress involved for yourself. I don't know what the end results will show over time, but do try to keep an open mind about it until there is enough evidence to make up my mind about it. So far all I can see is that it depends on the individual bird with some it appears to work for and other it seems to stress them all too much. You are the only one in the position to tell what effects it has on your bird. Share and keep us informed on how it goes with yours. his is a forum and there will always be those who agree with you as well as those that don't and most of them have valid reasons for their beliefs and you can use all of it to your advantage.

She was also saying theres no way to tell if a bird is stressed but there is and i can admit Rocko was stressed on the way home

You might believe you can tell but, personally, I've cared for hundreds of parrots and over a period of over 20 years (50 if you count passerines) and, as much as I observe birds on a daily basis and have tried to learn all the subtle nuances of their body language, I would never say that I know for a fact what they are feeling. So you will have to forgive me if I don't think you can do it. It's not that I think that you are lying, mind you, but anybody who believes what he wants to believe and nonchalantly disregards solid scientific studies to the contrary can not be considered a reliable observer.

you do know some birds poop goes runny and wet when they are stressed also some signs of stress are moving to a new environment which Rocko was outside and feather plucking

[Pajarita]

No, not necessarily. Runny poop is caused by many, many different things and plucking can be either from a medical reason as well as a psychological one but the only tiel I've ever had that plucked is LoveyDovey which came to me already plucking and continue doing it due to chronic Giardia (it took me close to 5 years to finally clean the giardia from her but she now has follicle damage so her feathers no longer grow in certain patches). Tiels are not known for plucking, even when not kept under good conditions, so poor Rocko must have been terribly stressed out OR he is a bird that due to been exposed to stress when a baby is now chronically high strung (I know you don't believe in scientific studies but they also tell us this) so, if I were you and taking into consideration his plucking history, I would be extra careful about stress because, in most cases, when they start plucking, they don't stop even when you correct the problem that originally caused them to start.

[ParrotsForLife]

No, not necessarily. Runny poop is caused by many, many different things and plucking can be either from a medical reason as well as a psychological one but the only tiel I've ever had that plucked is LoveyDovey which came to me already plucking and continue doing it due to chronic Giardia (it took me close to 5 years to finally clean the giardia from her but she now has follicle damage so her feathers no longer grow in certain patches). Tiels are not known for plucking, even when not kept under good conditions, so poor Rocko must have been terribly stressed out OR he is a bird that due to been exposed to stress when a baby is now chronically high strung (I know you don't believe in scientific studies but they also tell us this) so, if I were you and taking into consideration his plucking history, I would be extra careful about stress because, in most cases, when they start plucking, they don't stop even when you correct the problem that originally caused them to start.

I never said Rocko plucks his feathers he is a happy bird he never has any problems I said sometimes feather plucking is a sign of stress and runny poop I never said it actually means they are stressed and Rocko was only out in the harness 3 days hes still only getting used to it he hasnt bit it once today we went to a shop and he met some people he had a great time.

[Wolf]

The way the post was written I was not sure whether you meant that Rocko was plucking or not.