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Petting and biting

Postby Suzanne_Oeid » Sat Jun 06, 2015 7:48 pm

Hi im suzanne and im new to this forum, i have an issue with my new pet cockatoo his name is Rio. I've owned a yellow crested cockatoo in the past but we bonded without any hesitation and whatever i did then i dont remember, im back at square one. We bought a yellow crested cockatoo 4 days ago and i understand we have to let him settle in but we have young kids in the family which are excited and i constantly have to tell them to back off and give him space.

I have read so many pages of how to bond and tame a cockatoo yet i have no idea what im doing wrong. I try to put my hand close to him and then back away when he gets uncomfortable. At times when i put my hand in the cage he will lean in and let me pat him, I'll come to try again then its a bite. He started to walk out of his cage but gets very defensive if we come next to him. I loved the feeling of having a cockatoo as a friend because of how cute and loving they are and im really willing to achieve the same results with Rio. What do you suggest i do?
Thanks in advance :)
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Re: Petting and biting

Postby Wolf » Sat Jun 06, 2015 9:17 pm

I really hope that you did a lot of research and self evaluation before you took the leap to get this bird. I get the impression that this is not the case, although I do understand that you lived with one at some point although I have no idea of how long ago this was. One of the things to keep in mind with a cockatoo is that the very cuddliness that most people find so heart warming and endearing is actually this birds greatest enemy. I am very concerned about your young children as a single bite from this bird could disfigure them for life. I know that they are adorable and loving, but they are also extremely jealous and protective of any one that they bond with. So much so that most of the people that I know of with a cockatoo and a human family of which the bird is a part of say that as soon as the bird starts picking a person to bond with that this person needs to back off and have the slack picked up by another family member so as to try and circumvent this love/ jealousy dynamic.
Four days is not a very long time and is nothing to a cockatoo, and certainly not enough time for this bird to learn to trust you.
Now at this point in time I am usually needing to advise people on how to win their parrots trust and to build a bond with, A thing that I am hesitant to do with this bird for the reasons already given.
I do not have any cockatoos and at this point I can only hope that someone who does have a cockatoo will step up to help you with this bird as it is beyond my level of expertise. I do not feel that I am qualified to give much more advise about this species than what I already have. I would recommend that in addition to any advise that you may receive on this forum that you find a bird rescue that has cockatoos and not only talk to them about your bird and family situation that you volunteer some time to gain more hands on experience with this type of bird.
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Re: Petting and biting

Postby Suzanne_Oeid » Sat Jun 06, 2015 9:59 pm

Thank you for the fast reply,
Im aware that cockatoos are known to manipulate people and have behavioral problems when given too much attention. My siblings want to also bond with him but i have told them to leave him for now to prevent any biting. My only problem is that any contact between us and Rio is that we make the first move, giving him a chance to either accept it or get defensive, trying to stop this but if we didnt, he doesn't try to come to us. And thats what im trying to learn and i dont know where to start with that.
I have called around and asked what i should do, all i get back is
-hand feed
-talk to him
-teach him do's and dont's
-slowly move in till your able to hold him
Yes 4 days isn't much but he seems calmer then before and not much hissing happening which is good.
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Re: Petting and biting

Postby Wolf » Sat Jun 06, 2015 10:40 pm

With most parrots you would spend time just talking and singing and offering treats through the bars of the cage while not asking anything of them. This is to give them a chance to get to know the sound of your voice as well as your presence, it also serves to begin to establish in their minds that you are the bringer of good things so that they can begin to trust you.
I will do what I can to help you and will also research anything that I don't currently have an answer for , but I am going to have to rely to some extent on your knowledge of these birds. I have no problem with telling you right up front that I feel that I am in over my head. So try to compare anything that I say to your knowledge and go from there.
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Re: Petting and biting

Postby Wolf » Sat Jun 06, 2015 11:07 pm

I found a couple of articles on cockatoos which I found to be informative and thought that you might enjoy.
http://www.birdsnways.com/wisdom/ww40eii.htm
http://www.birdsnways.com/wisdom/ww58e.htm
http://www.birdsnways.com/wisdom/ww61eii.htm
I hope these will be useful to you.
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Re: Petting and biting

Postby Suzanne_Oeid » Sat Jun 06, 2015 11:12 pm

I appreciate that, thank you
From our previous cockatoo which was close to 3 years ago i did research about them but obviously forgot resulting in me doing a whole lot of research every day from when we got Rio which should have been done before we got him but i was too excited and expecting things to turn out well. I have just one question though, he seems more comfortable when he's out of the cage even if its just standing on top of the cage. Would you suggest i stop letting him out and just talk to him and not approach much and just be around him like you said? Or do all these things even when hes out. Im asking this because its difficult putting him back in, and it would be going against what your suggesting i do, plus i am not able to handle him yet and he just ends up running and hiding
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Re: Petting and biting

Postby Wolf » Sun Jun 07, 2015 12:17 am

First off this article should help some as it is about your birds body language and most of us always benefit from this http://www.birdsnways.com/wisdom/ww15eii.htm
It is really hard to say which is actually going to work best for you and your bird. You don't want to be chasing him down if you can avoid it. Most birds seem to do better with some time out of the cage, even though there has not been enough of an opportunity to establish any type of schedule with them. Schedules and keeping to them are very important to most birds and from what I understand it may be even more important to a cockatoo than with some of the other, smaller species of parrots. Perhaps you could let him out for a couple of hours to hang out on his cage in the mornings after his breakfast and then let him on the floor for another couple of hours in the late afternoon wherein he is out but sees you place his dinner in his cage and use this as a cue for him that it is time to go back in. As in everything else with parrots what works for one may not work for another one, this is because each one of them is unique. So you are going to have to see what works best for you and him on this one.
All of my birds were older abused adults when they came to live with me and letting them out right away was the best possible thing that I could have done for some of them and with a couple of them it was a huge mistake and set us back on earning trust. If yours stays relatively calm as well as happy with the time out it may be the best thing to do, but if you have to run him down then I would wait a little bit on it.
This is actually a very important time in the formation of your relationship and it seems that everything that you do or don't do has an impact on it that is not always apparent right away. It seems to me that both feeding times as well as their actual diet is one of these things. Bribery can be a powerful influence in getting their cooperation as well as their trust. This species of parrot has a difficulty in metabolizing fats more than other species, with this in mind morning feeding should probably consist of more of the fresh foods such as fruits and vegetables and whole grains and then limited amounts of foods that are higher in proteins and fats for the evening meal. This can be used to help you get your bird back in his cage for the evening at dinnertime as most parrots want the higher fat and protein foods to a greater degree than the other foods, It is as if these foods are like ice cream and candy for a human child. That means he will be more willing to go back in his cage for this food than other types.
I am not sure that I explained this adequately in a useful form, but if not I will be happy to try again.
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Re: Petting and biting

Postby Suzanne_Oeid » Sun Jun 07, 2015 12:43 am

Thank you so much for your help wolf, honestly appreciate it. I understood more info from you then any site. I will try the things you suggested and sticking to a schedule and i know he loves corn because he picks it out and sunflower seeds so maybe i can use that to get him back in the cage as part of the evening meal without him feeling attacked.

Thanks again :)
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Re: Petting and biting

Postby Pajarita » Mon Jun 08, 2015 9:40 am

How old is he? Is he a baby? Because, if he is, handfeeding as well as quiet cuddling will help a lot -but, the operative word here is 'quiet' and if you have to tell the kids to back off and leave him alone, that is the reason why he is behaving the way he is. Baby birds don't like children. They stress them out... Children are too loud, move too fast, do all the wrong things (not that they mean to, mind you), etc and while an adult cockatoo loves hullabaloo, babies don't.

I'll be honest with you, if this is a baby too and he is backing away from the humans, it's a cause of extreme concern because they NEED a lot of cuddling when they are babies in order to grow up well-adjusted and sweet-tempered and the fact that he prefers not to get it is very worrisome... These birds have powerful beaks and claws and, even when they would never, ever hurt you on purpose, they always do without meaning to. I have a lesser sulfur myself, the sweetest, sweetest bird ever! Freddie is very affectionate and a little clown who absolutely loves attention and, although I can do absolutely anything with him and he never, ever tries to bite (and I do mean absolutely NEVER which is extraordinary with any parrot), he has left large black and blues and holes in my arms (from his claws) when he has felt he was loosing his balance and used his beak to hang on. He did not mean to but they hurt all the same. And he goes after everybody's feet except my own to the point that my husband is afraid of him...
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Re: Petting and biting

Postby Suzanne_Oeid » Mon Jun 08, 2015 6:38 pm

Sounds like such a beautiful relationship you have with Freddie. Rio is 2 years old and was previously in an aluminium factory with his last owner which didnt give him much attention. I understand about the biting and so far has not bitten us hard enough to break skin, more of just nipping or if all of the sudden he is frightened he will strike with a bite but doesn't hurt.
He has definitely calmed down around us and rarely hisses. I taught him to hold my finger and shake which is adorable :D but he still does not like being handled. But i guess he is getting use to my hand being around him. When i first approach he takes a few steps back then steps towards my hand. But he loves nibbling on my hand the same way he does with a seed, not that it hurts but i think its a bad habit and im unsure how to deal with that, i dont want to pull away so he doesnt get scared.

My only concern about any injuries is his nails, they are super sharp and just a soft grab from him doesn't cut but leaves a mark, and i cant hold him or attempt on trimming his nails yet
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