Teaching not to bite

[ParrotsForLife]

My dear, you need to learn to read our answers with an open mind, research what we are saying and think before you reply because you tend to get way too defensive and accuse other people of the same thing you are doing: not reading carefully.

Pellets are better than seeds but that doesn't mean that you can free-feed them (this means you fill up a bowl with them in the morning and leave it there all day long which is what you are doing) because, as parrots in their natural habitat don't find plentiful sources of high protein, they are hard-wired to gorge on it when they do so, when you free-feed high protein, they will always fill up on it, leaving very little room for the healthy food (veggies, fruits and leafy greens). Animal protein (turkey, chicken, etc) is a no-no (and it doesn't matter that it's once a week or even more seldom than that) because parrots did not evolve to eat meat so nature never gave their bodies a mechanism to get rid of the extra bad cholesterol the bird ingests when they eat meat so they end up with high cholesterol (cardio vascular disease) and fatty liver disease (hepatic lipidosis). Meat is most definitely NOT good for them. I do feed mine grated hard-boiled eggs but only three times a year, just a teensy little bit each and only during breeding season.

Grays do tend to be a one person bird but they do establish friendship bonds with other individuals. I have two, Sophie CAG and Pookey TAG. Sophie loves me but likes my husband a lot and would gladly go with him, perch on his shoulder, kiss his cheek, etc - while Pookey loves my husband but likes me, too (kisses me and rubs her face on mine) so with your mother's, it's just a matter of winning her over.

Im not getting defensive and im reading properly.Wolf already told me about the pellets I dont need more people telling me about her diet Wolf told me everything and we are gonna change her diet and she never really gets egg either she hasnt had egg in around 5 months

[Wolf]

Relax a little bit, please. Yes, I told you about pellets, to a small degree and no where near all that I know about them and for that reason alone you should be more open to the things that others here are trying to share with you.
Your birds are nearly as important to me as my own and in the process of trying to help them to have a better life I am trying to help you to become a better caregiver for them and you can't get there if you won't take the time to do the suggested research so that you can see and make the right choices instead of depending on others to tell you what ones are right. I would really love to see you come back after researching a thing and then have you tell me what you think and what your options are so that I can agree with your choices or suggest a way to improve on it only.
I am not sure that this is worded perfectly or not, but I want to see you grow so that you can see through the hype that the manufactures and other experts try to stuff you full of. I have been studying avian nutrition for 4 years, reading everything that I can find and I have barely scratched the surface. Pajarita has more than 30 years of hands on experience and research that I will never catch up to. She has a tremendous amount of information to share with you if you will just be open to it. She doesn't get anything from her efforts other than what I get and I told you what I get.
You have the potential to be very good with these birds and to help a lot of people with their birds, but at this point it is only potential. It could turn into much more if you will let it.
I am very tired right now so I need to rest a while. I will be back and help you with your Greys diet at that time.

[ParrotsForLife]

Relax a little bit, please. Yes, I told you about pellets, to a small degree and no where near all that I know about them and for that reason alone you should be more open to the things that others here are trying to share with you.
Your birds are nearly as important to me as my own and in the process of trying to help them to have a better life I am trying to help you to become a better caregiver for them and you can't get there if you won't take the time to do the suggested research so that you can see and make the right choices instead of depending on others to tell you what ones are right. I would really love to see you come back after researching a thing and then have you tell me what you think and what your options are so that I can agree with your choices or suggest a way to improve on it only.
I am not sure that this is worded perfectly or not, but I want to see you grow so that you can see through the hype that the manufactures and other experts try to stuff you full of. I have been studying avian nutrition for 4 years, reading everything that I can find and I have barely scratched the surface. Pajarita has more than 30 years of hands on experience and research that I will never catch up to. She has a tremendous amount of information to share with you if you will just be open to it. She doesn't get anything from her efforts other than what I get and I told you what I get.
You have the potential to be very good with these birds and to help a lot of people with their birds, but at this point it is only potential. It could turn into much more if you will let it.
I am very tired right now so I need to rest a while. I will be back and help you with your Greys diet at that time.

I just dont like when different people say the same thing after somebody else just saying it when I already said my mam is changing her diet shes not gonna give her pellets all the time maybe pellets in the morning and seed and other little things later and she will eat anything you give her shes not picky.Im also gonna be working with lots of different baby birds and taming them I like birds and I like finding out different things about them and im good with birds and taming I know alot about their bahaviour and stuff.Ive owned 6 birds in my life I havent had a bigger bird but I probably will when in older.And I do learn alot from these forums.

[Wolf]

Try to be a little more open and receptive, this is a forum and many times you will receive replies from different people with nearly the same information that you received in another reply, but they are rarely exactly the same. Sometimes they start of the same and then contain other information that can help sometimes there may only be a single sentence that is different but if that one sentence clarifies an issue or helps then the entire response is helpful to you so what does it hurt that you received most of the information in one or two other replies? And you still have other people expressing their support for your birds and their wishing you well, people letting you know that they care about you and your birds. Acknowledge that they care enough to freely give of their lives to let you know that they care. We all need a lot more of this in our personal as well as our public lives. And our world needs more of this as well. Think about this.
On to why I am here, diet.
I think that, perhaps, the best way to open this discussion would be to tell you what and when I feed my bird. Kookooloo is normally up and talking to me at first light, but right around sunrise I give her a fresh raw vegetable, a fresh raw leafy green and a fresh fruit. She gets a different one of each of these every day as I want her to eat a wide variety of these foods. About an hour later I feed her a homemade cooked food that we call gloop. It is made of a variety of cooked whole grains( 40%), Cooked mixed vegetables{ green beans, carrots, sweet corn, sweet peas, green peppers, broccoli (40%)} and cooked white beans and lentils( 20%). She receives enough of the fresh foods and the gloop to last all day long until dinnertime which she receive around dusk and it is of a high quality seed mix. The seed mix is removed from the cage when she goes to sleep for the night.
Now you can feed this diet and substitute your pellets for my seed mix without upsetting the overall balance of nutrition. Or you could look at the components of the diet separately and decide how to incorporate them into your birds diet in your own fashion. For instance I give Kookooloo cooked( al dente) whole grains and you might want to just soak them for a few hours and feed them that way, you could chop the vegetables and feed them raw, White beans, lentils and other legumes of this type must be cooked or they could prove to be toxic but they are also the primary source of protein in this diet. The choice of whole grains as well as fruits and vegetables is influenced by what is seasonally available in my area. Let me know what you think along with any changes you would consider and we can go from there.

[ParrotsForLife]

What exactly is gloop I've never heard of it.Thats a good diet.So Veg and fruit in the morning then about an hour later the gloop and then at dinner time seeds/pellets would it be ok to feed seed and pellets with this diet.I feed Rocko and Loki seeds and pellets and sometimes veg in the mornings im still trying to get them to eat the veg Loki ate a bit of broccoli the other day but Rocko isnt eating any I gave them a mix of different things and he put the corn and peas in his mouth but didnt eat it.And Loki hasnt eaten the pellets and I dont know how to get him to start eating them.Rocko hasnt eating pellets in like 3 weeks now maybe longer and I was feeding him the seed and pellets separately and he just wont eat them he used to eat a whole bowl nearly.Do you know how I can get them to start eating veg and the pellets.The brand of pellets is beaphar Tiko gets these too you should search them up.Rocko is a picky eater too.I give them seed in the day and leave it in the cage there is usually not much seed in it by the next day.

[Wolf]

Sorry it has been a rough couple of days for me, but that is just my personal life infringing on me.
Gloop is a home made food that Pajarita has come up with and that several of us use for our birds as it is based on real foods and provides the nutritional needs of our birds as well as some of their emotional based food needs. It consists of whole grains, vegetables and legumes and if you will look or use the search box while in the health, nutrition and diet section of the forum you will find several versions of this food that you can make for your birds, I have 5 species of parrots that eat this food. There are also explicit instructions there for how to switch your birds to this diet.
As for getting your birds to eat the fresh, raw fruits and vegetables, the best way that I have found is to make some for them and them sit down and slowly eat it in front of them. Due to the fact that eating is a social activity as well as a bonding activity with parrots they will watch you and start getting interested in what you are eating and then they will start to want some of it and then they will begin to demand some and try to take some from you and that is when you offer them a bite or two. As they try the different fruits and vegetables offered this way they will begin to pick at them when offered as a regular part of their diet and then they will begin to eat them on their own.
I don't feed pellets to any of my birds but based on my research the only pellet that I would recommend is TOPS, I don't know if you can get them or not. Seeds are a part of my birds diet as it is the evening meal that I give them.

[ParrotsForLife]

I tried eating in front of them they dont care what im eating lol.But Tiko does if she sees me with any type of food she nods her head up and down wanting some even if she hears a packet of crisps opening she knows what it is we are trying to stop her begging for food if she asks for something like fries from Mcdonalds we would give her a piece of fruit.

[Pajarita]

There are several threads with gloop recipes in the diet section. Look them up and see.
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As to not liking people repeating things... well, that's is your problem and something you will have to resolve on your own. But, off the top of my head, I would say that bird forums are the wrong place for you because that is what a forum is all about, several people replying to the same question.

[ParrotsForLife]

There are several threads with gloop recipes in the diet section. Look them up and see.
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As to not liking people repeating things... well, that's is your problem and something you will have to resolve on your own. But, off the top of my head, I would say that bird forums are the wrong place for you because that is what a forum is all about, several people replying to the same question.

I didnt mean it like that of course people are gonna reply to the same question.What I meant was when people for example say someone said you shouldnt feed chocolate to your bird and then another person saids the exact same thing its just annoying.

[ParrotsForLife]

Also I saw the gloop recipe.