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[Wolf]

I just open the cages for all of my birds and let them come out on their own and then I ask for the step up. I learned from Kiki that Senegals are a bit territorial about their cages and this is the easiest way to avoid a painful bite from her. They won't think that you are a nice person or a bad person by you letting them out. They tend to think that this is their right and I tend to agree that it is their right to be let out. I put them on their cages, I put them in their cages, I put them on their tree or on me or any other place that is handy at the time. The important thing is to not always put them in their cage or to always close the door to it. This will help them to not think that stepping up will always result in their being caged which they don't really like.

[Archiebald]

Thank you
I will let her come out on her own
We hate to see them locked in but we are not able to let them out at the same time
I am afraid that they will fight even tho they land on each other cages and sort of do kisses through the bars and Archie let's Rio preen him, under careful watch tho
Maybe sometime in the future

It would be lovely if they were able to fly around the house together as we have pirches on all window sills
Archie loves to follow us around and we love to see him doing what he is supposed to do fllllllllly,yay
Do you think that one day it may be possible????

[Pajarita]

Once the bird is bonded to you and trusts you implicitly, you might be able to get it to step up from inside the cage. I have several birds that have no problem whatsoever doing this (including both my Senegals) and one that stays in her cage until I pay 'the toll' Isis (a female African Red Belly I've had for a year now) would perch there, looking at me and scratching her own head with her foot, which is her way of asking for scritches, until I put my hand in her cage and give them to her while I softly praise her for a minute or so - and then and only then would she step up to come out when I politely ask her to. And, if she feels that I did not do it long enough (sometimes I am in a hurry and try to 'cheat' her), instead of stepping up she would hold my finger with one foot and grab it with her beak applying pressure to it as if saying: "You better pay the whole 'regular' toll or you will have to pay it some other way" But it always pays not to assume a relationship that might not be there yet. I am VERY respectful of my birds wishes and never, ever impose my will on them, and they seem to not only understand this but also appreciate it to the point that they allow me to do things that other birds would not. Mind you, I also have birds that I cannot touch AT ALL!

And yes, if you play your cards right, you will be able to have them both out at the same time.

[Wolf]

I don't see why not. Although they are not friends my Amazon, my Grey and my Senegal are all free to come out of their cages whenever they want to all day long as long as I am in the house with them. My parrotlet is also out at the same time part of the time, but that depends on how closely I can watch them as the parrotlet is extremely aggressive towards the larger birds.
That is funny, Pajarita as that is what finally broke through the trust issue between Kiki and myself. I wanted so much for her to trust me and so I listened when she demanded that I must also show her the same trust that I was asking from her. This was despite the fact that she was normally biting the heck out of me( as you saw), she required me to give her my finger which she promptly grabbed in her beak and just held it for a while. She has rarely bitten me hard since that time and regularly holds my finger in this fashion.

[Archiebald]

Thank you paj and wolf
It's good to know that one day they will fly together,I am a wheelchair user so I understand what it's like not to be able to do what's normal for most and I think that if birds can't fly they must feel how I feel,

Archie bless him puts a little pressure on my fingers when he's not happy about something,but thankfully he doesn't bite me hard,he likes his scritch every morning and every night before bed I love them times

Rio came out today and walked up onto my shoulder,not for long,lol, I am grateful for anything,lol

How will I be able to tell when it will be safe to have them out at the same time,not that I expect to do it soon but what should I look out for??

Because then they would have more out time
We are going away for a couple of days , both birds are coming with us so will check back in when we all get back,

Thank you again

[Pajarita]

Well, you can start by putting the cages side-by-side so the bars almost touch, this will start the process of them regarding each other as flock members. But, basically, is close observation. Put a couple of perches on the outside of each cage with one of them exactly lined up with a perch inside the cage -the one the bird prefers to perch on during the day and where you would stick a piece of fruit -not the roosting one) and look at them when one is out and flying around. Eventually, the 'loose' one will fly to the other one's cage and perch either on the bars or on one of the outside perches so look closely to see what they both do. If you see that the share the fruit stuck between the bars and there is no aggression, you can start letting them out together for short periods of time (start at noon when they nap or rest, it's a 'calm' time for them and good for this kind of thing) but watch them carefully because you don't want one losing a toe or half a beak.

[Wolf]

To begin this, the actual part where you allow them out together, I would also recommend that you do this when you have some help that is more mobile than you are, just to be safe in the beginning.

[Archiebald]

Hi paj and wolf
Thank you for the advice,they do land on each other's cages when out individually
most of the time they are fine but we have to be alert as sometimes they go from kissing to not liking each other in a blink of an eye

Rio loves her cage being close to Archie cage and she will fly to his cage as soon as we open her cage
I'm not sure that they are ready to be left out together just yet "to afraid of them getting hurt"
I am afraid that they will fight
I won't let them out when I am on my own Archie flies to me freely but Rio won't " long ways to go there lol"

Thank you both for the helpful advice

[Pajarita]

If the bird in the cage doesn't rush to bite the other one's toes, chances are they won't fight. Now, this is not 100% guaranteed, mind you! But it is a good sign.

[Archiebald]

Thank you paj
Sometimes they are ok then other times they are not so i won't try it just yet

Rio is always on Archie cage as if she wants to play but he doesn't always want to,bless him
Will keep watching them and hopefully they will be the best of friends one day

If not it doesn't matter but they would have a lot more out of cage time if they were out together,instead of one at a time.

I love to see them flying free from their cages ,they look so happy