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Re: Help me with my grey

Postby Navre » Sun Aug 16, 2015 12:08 pm

And her being hormonal could be responsible for he suddenly showing more interest in you. Resist the temptation to encourage that and only touch her on her head, neck, and beak. I don't have much timnea experience, but CAG love to have their beaks touched.
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Re: Help me with my grey

Postby Dim718 » Sun Aug 16, 2015 4:22 pm

i was actually told that raw nuts is what they need , but walnuts are part of the diet as well i feed him every 2 days i fill up his food cup with a mix i buy at petco and when me and when we make dinner ill always bring a piece of fruit or veggie, how do i post pictures i can't seem to do it i have a mac
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Re: Help me with my grey

Postby Dim718 » Sun Aug 16, 2015 4:26 pm

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Re: Help me with my grey

Postby Dim718 » Sun Aug 16, 2015 4:27 pm

that was the first time he went on my hand , and after about an hour of going on and off , he took a bite into me i read that i couldnt scream or throw him off i took the first bite then when he let go he went for the 2nd one.

and when he sits on my hand right now he kinda squats down almost laying on my hand spreads his wings apart a little and chirps
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Re: Help me with my grey

Postby Wolf » Sun Aug 16, 2015 6:05 pm

I am truly sorry, but I am not understanding what you are feeding him or when you are feeding him. It sounds to me like he is getting way too much protein which is not a good thing. Please try again to tell me what you feed him and when you feed it to him. I don't have a Timneh, I do have a Congo. They are remarkable birds and I must admit that I am fascinated by them.
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Re: Help me with my grey

Postby Dim718 » Sun Aug 16, 2015 7:49 pm

Wolf wrote:I am truly sorry, but I am not understanding what you are feeding him or when you are feeding him. It sounds to me like he is getting way too much protein which is not a good thing. Please try again to tell me what you feed him and when you feed it to him. I don't have a Timneh, I do have a Congo. They are remarkable birds and I must admit that I am fascinated by them.



parrot corn that i buy in petco its a mix of seeds and nuts and other things that i give him every 2 days
change water everyday
i give him fruits everyday but small piece nothing big if i eat an apple or some fruit i give him
veggies also around 1s every 2 days
on the weekends i give him cherries as it seems to be his favorite fruit 1 on saturday and 1 sunday
thats how his feeding goes through out the week

from 8 am to 6pm he spends on the balcony watching people and the beach
when i come home i let him out the cage for about 3 to 4 hours


but started going on my hand only since yesterday and he is super nervous about it and won't let me go far from the cage.

and as you seen i got bit pretty hard yesterday.

please give me some pointers on how i can make this bird more friendly and that i also won't be scared of being bit
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Re: Help me with my grey

Postby Wolf » Mon Aug 17, 2015 7:15 am

I went to Petco official site and there is nothing there called parrot corn, could you give me the exact name and brand of this food, please.
this birds diet is very poor and needs a lot of improvement and I know that since your question is about the birds behavior that you may not see the connection between the diet and the behavior, but it is there and is a very important one to say the least. firstly a diet that is high in protein causes an increase in aggressive behaviors such as biting and it can also be responsible for not allowing a bird to leave the breeding cycle which can also cause aggression as the proteins are used to make hormones and if the bird can't exit the breeding cycle then their sexual organs which are inside can enlarge to over 100 times their normal size causing an increasing amount of pain which can also cause the bird to bite.
Now after thinking about this I think that perhaps the best way to help you with your birds diet is to explain what and how I feed my birds so that you can see how you should be feeding your bird.
I am up early, much earlier than I would prefer, but that is its own story, but my birds are exposed to the twilight period just before dawn ( this is important, I will explain later) and then they start waking up as the sun begins to rise and at this time I offer them one fresh raw vegetable, one fresh raw fruit and one fresh raw leafy green in sufficient quantity to last them all day. I let them eat this for about an hour and then I feed them a cooked food that we call gloop. Gloop is basically a cooked food that is made at home and consists of about 40% cooked whole grains, 40% cooked mixed vegetables and 20% cooked white beans and lentils. And again they receive enough to last them all day. Then about a half an hour before dusk which is the twilight period just before sunset, I feed then a good quality seed mix which is then removed when they go to sleep for the night. Here is a link to an easy form of gloop to make for your bird
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=13666 If you look through the diet section or use the search function you will be able to find several different recipes for gloop.
I brought up the two twilight periods that occur each and every day as the light at these two time has special properties that allow it to set and reset the birds internal clock so that the bird only goes into its reproductive cycle when it should and also leaves this cycle when it should.
These two things proper exposure to a solar light schedule and proper diet are instrumental in stopping and preventing the type of aggression and biting that the bird can't help itself from doing as it is hormonal.
There are only just a few reasons for a bird that is not hormonal to bite, the first of these is defense of itself and its nesting area, the second is fear and the third is that the bird has learned that its human is not listening to it when it tries to let them know that it doesn't want something done to it. You need to go slow with this bird to establish trust. The bird, based on what you have said has no reason to trust you and so you need to spend lots of time with the bird talking to it and observing it so that you can learn to understand its body language and other attempts to communicate with you. Parrots are not naturally aggressive, but you do have to show them that you can be trusted and you will have to establish a schedule of daily interaction with the bird in order to do this. You also need to cooperate with the bird in that if it starts getting nervous when you are doing something stop it. If the bird is nervous or excited don't handle it, wait for it to calm down first.
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Re: Help me with my grey

Postby Dim718 » Mon Aug 17, 2015 11:54 am

Wolf wrote:I went to Petco official site and there is nothing there called parrot corn, could you give me the exact name and brand of this food, please.
this birds diet is very poor and needs a lot of improvement and I know that since your question is about the birds behavior that you may not see the connection between the diet and the behavior, but it is there and is a very important one to say the least. firstly a diet that is high in protein causes an increase in aggressive behaviors such as biting and it can also be responsible for not allowing a bird to leave the breeding cycle which can also cause aggression as the proteins are used to make hormones and if the bird can't exit the breeding cycle then their sexual organs which are inside can enlarge to over 100 times their normal size causing an increasing amount of pain which can also cause the bird to bite.
Now after thinking about this I think that perhaps the best way to help you with your birds diet is to explain what and how I feed my birds so that you can see how you should be feeding your bird.
I am up early, much earlier than I would prefer, but that is its own story, but my birds are exposed to the twilight period just before dawn ( this is important, I will explain later) and then they start waking up as the sun begins to rise and at this time I offer them one fresh raw vegetable, one fresh raw fruit and one fresh raw leafy green in sufficient quantity to last them all day. I let them eat this for about an hour and then I feed them a cooked food that we call gloop. Gloop is basically a cooked food that is made at home and consists of about 40% cooked whole grains, 40% cooked mixed vegetables and 20% cooked white beans and lentils. And again they receive enough to last them all day. Then about a half an hour before dusk which is the twilight period just before sunset, I feed then a good quality seed mix which is then removed when they go to sleep for the night. Here is a link to an easy form of gloop to make for your bird
http://www.theparrotforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=13666 If you look through the diet section or use the search function you will be able to find several different recipes for gloop.
I brought up the two twilight periods that occur each and every day as the light at these two time has special properties that allow it to set and reset the birds internal clock so that the bird only goes into its reproductive cycle when it should and also leaves this cycle when it should.
These two things proper exposure to a solar light schedule and proper diet are instrumental in stopping and preventing the type of aggression and biting that the bird can't help itself from doing as it is hormonal.
There are only just a few reasons for a bird that is not hormonal to bite, the first of these is defense of itself and its nesting area, the second is fear and the third is that the bird has learned that its human is not listening to it when it tries to let them know that it doesn't want something done to it. You need to go slow with this bird to establish trust. The bird, based on what you have said has no reason to trust you and so you need to spend lots of time with the bird talking to it and observing it so that you can learn to understand its body language and other attempts to communicate with you. Parrots are not naturally aggressive, but you do have to show them that you can be trusted and you will have to establish a schedule of daily interaction with the bird in order to do this. You also need to cooperate with the bird in that if it starts getting nervous when you are doing something stop it. If the bird is nervous or excited don't handle it, wait for it to calm down first.


ok i will start doing this as of today and i have been spending a lot of time with the bird now that my schedule isn't as crazy. he is out of his cage all day today since 8 am with me . he only gets nervous when i say step up and when he steps up to my hand he gets super nervous and start chirping and doesn't act like himself. is this because he wad never hand tamed or is this something else?. when his on his cage his talking his happy he dances when music goes on tv. my ultimate goal with my bird is to have him be comfy like some of the videos i seen on youtube. I'm trying to do all i can. now going to work on the exact diet plan you wrote out for me. starting today his going on a strict diet!
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Re: Help me with my grey

Postby Wolf » Mon Aug 17, 2015 1:00 pm

Perhaps this would be a good place to start with training viewtopic.php?f=11&t=227
You sound to be fairly inexperienced with parrots, which is fine as we all must begin someplace, it is just that you seem to expect immediate results from a parrot and one that has been ignored for a long time at that. Easy does it, one step at a time and at the parrots pace is the best way to go.
I have added perches in strange places such as the rope perch on the front of this cage and the perch that is on the inside of the door. Perhaps you could place a perch on the inside of the cage door for your bird. it would be helpful with early training as well as giving your bird another place to hang out on his cage. Here is a picture to show what I mean.
IMG_0107 (640x640).jpg
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Re: Help me with my grey

Postby Dim718 » Mon Aug 17, 2015 8:49 pm

Wolf wrote:Perhaps this would be a good place to start with training http://www.theparrotforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=227
You sound to be fairly inexperienced with parrots, which is fine as we all must begin someplace, it is just that you seem to expect immediate results from a parrot and one that has been ignored for a long time at that. Easy does it, one step at a time and at the parrots pace is the best way to go.
I have added perches in strange places such as the rope perch on the front of this cage and the perch that is on the inside of the door. Perhaps you could place a perch on the inside of the cage door for your bird. it would be helpful with early training as well as giving your bird another place to hang out on his cage. Here is a picture to show what I mean.
IMG_0107 (640x640).jpg


he does have a lot of toys , ropes , i buy him a new one every couple of months. i already went out today bought whole grain , white beans, veggies to make the "gloop" for him what i wanted to ask you can i make a bunch freeze it and warm it up for him every morning as i don't have time every morning to make a fresh one. also when he goes on my hand why does he start acting weird chirping and acts super nervous and won't let me walk away from the cage. i was giving him treats when he would step up today and he took treats while being on my hand. what should i do ask far as taming him to feel comfy with me. i could already see that he feels a lot better being around me. he has an easier time stepping up but won't really let me touch his head while his on the cage. he does sometimes for a couple of seconds then turns his head i think to bite me. what should i do next on taming/ training.
and thank you so much for giving me your time and helping me with my bird.
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