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Re: Help needed with a WILD IRN PLEASE!

Postby Viatrixa » Mon Sep 28, 2015 5:53 am

:irn: oh gosh no - aside from his usual main veggies we also offer him a mixture of pellets to supplement his diet. I mean, two types of pellets mixed in one bowl - their protein percentages are 14 & 15 respectively. Other than that we also offer him a little seed bar as a snack but this we only put in for a while. So hopefully this is enough protein for him :)

We also bought him a special supplement for when he moults which has an even higher protein content. Of course he wont moult anytime soon yet, but we figured maybe we can let him taste the supplement stuff sometime anyway.

Yes! We let him out daily, after breakfast. He will come down and back into his cage around lunch time by himself. We have one of those cages that can be opened from the top and we prop a perch in between the opening. Sometimes he'll fly around, other times he'll sit atop the curtain rod, a book or even the perch near his cage. In fact...

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I tried to get a nice picture of him since (for a change!) the sun was up... so of course he ended up looking all funny and poofy after preening :P

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And there he is on top of the curtain rod, looking slightly squished. There isn't much in that particular room save for a few bookshelves laden with plushies & books, so the room is ideal. He usually prefers to perch atop a book but flies up onto the curtain rod if we walk into the room.

OH! And his name is Simo. Named after my beloved late father who appreciated animals with a hint of mischief. :roll:
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Re: Help needed with a WILD IRN PLEASE!

Postby Wolf » Mon Sep 28, 2015 7:16 am

He is looking good and I appreciate you taking the time to get the pictures of him for us, did I mention that we love pictures? Seems like things are going well for you and Simo. Is he getting more friendly now? How much time do you get to spend interacting with him now?
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Re: Help needed with a WILD IRN PLEASE!

Postby Pajarita » Mon Sep 28, 2015 9:25 am

He is beautiful and looks quite content on the pictures! But I think you might be feeding too much protein. For one thing, there are no pellets that have an actual protein content so, look again at the labels of the two you are feeding because I bet you they are not 14 and 15 but 'no less than' and that can mean 20% for all you know. Pellets made with soy can have high protein without really influencing the manufacturer's cost because it's the cheapest source there is (and that's why they use it for the pellets and not because it's good for them). Also, please do more research because there is no need to give them any type of commercial supplement for molt. All you need to do is increase protein a bit and add some complete protein seeds to its regular food.
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Re: Help needed with a WILD IRN PLEASE!

Postby liz » Mon Sep 28, 2015 4:42 pm

They all like the top of the curtain rod. I think it is like the cat on the top of the car to see more.

I got tired of washing the curtains and blocked the space with a couple pieces of laminate flooring.
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Re: Help needed with a WILD IRN PLEASE!

Postby Viatrixa » Mon Sep 28, 2015 5:45 pm

I'm just sorry the picture quality is so terrible - the photos seriously don't do justice to his vibrant green plumage. Granted he's young so it isn't as bright as an adult's, but he's still quite the looker. His comfort zone with us REALLY varies. When he's free he tends to be slightly more cautious but if we move slowly he'll stay still and curious until we're in very close proximity. If he's caged, then he'll dash to and fro for just a heartbeat or two before calming down. At that point he'll settle on a perch lower than our eye level and look up at us and peep. Hoping to get to the point at some distant point in the future where he is at least comfortable in our presence in such a manner than we can keep him out of his cage almost all times ~

Concerning soy, I actually keep an eye out for it in general because I'm really not a fan - not just for animals but humans as well. I have my reasons which I won't list here but I'm very seriously not a fan of soy. Could the aforementioned supplement be used as a mere treat, then? Or do you suggest we forget the stuff entirely? Would the same go for the "regular" pellets? Should we switch entirely to natural seeds for a healthier protein source? I also wouldn't mind making / cooking certain protein foods for him myself so long as they are safe & healthy. I've also read a lot about beans & legumes in general; people seem to vouch for them but we haven't tried to give him any just yet. What are your opinions on that? What of the seed & nut bar? I've read some varying opinions on those too so I figured I'd ask while at it. It's excellent & good to learn these things early on so I can give our Peeping Pea a healthy life and diet. :thumbsup:

While not very relevant I thought it'd be funny to mention that he goes absolutely bonkers for yellow bell pepper. So much that when he sees me chopping it in the kitchen he'll squawk and "tap dance" in his cage.
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Re: Help needed with a WILD IRN PLEASE!

Postby liz » Mon Sep 28, 2015 6:09 pm

That is so funny. Yellow bell peppers are the only thing he squacks for?
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Re: Help needed with a WILD IRN PLEASE!

Postby Pajarita » Tue Sep 29, 2015 2:24 pm

I've done a lot of research on parrots diets for many years (20 or so) and have reached the conclusion that imitating nature is the best for them so I feed gloop and raw produce for breakfast and all day picking and a measured amount of a good quality seed mix for dinner. This, plus 1.5 to 2 times a daily dosage of a powder avian multivitamin/mineral supplement once a week has worked out very well for my birds for many years. I don't feed soy to any of my animals and I don't consume it myself, either.

My parrots also like yellow peppers but not especially, they go for the orange and the red just as much -but not the green ones so much. I think it's because they are so crisp and juicy and parrots are naturally attracted to bright colors. On the other hand, my finches would eat anything green even if it's not a leafy green (grapes, cucumbers, kiwis, snow peas, etc) but the only thing in another color they will eat is sweet potatoes
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Re: WILD IRN HAS BECOME A MAMA'S BOY

Postby Viatrixa » Wed Nov 04, 2015 8:16 am

:irn: I thought I'd just randomly post here about how stuff is going!

First, I changed the title of this topic - because frankly I feel this reflects the current situation xD. Simo has become a veritable little mama's boy. I think routine and patience have played a great part here. I offer him a spray of millet through the rungs of the cage a couple of times a day (I use a clicker too); I've gradually shortened it and he's come closer and closer to me physically and he is now easily at a touching distance. I still haven't tried to touch him just yet; I feel it's a bit too early! But, even after I withdraw the millet he will remain there and be quite comfortable near me. (tried doing some slow, calm random motions such as scratching my nose etc.) Other times I'll just sit next to him and he inches closer to me and exhibits content body language.

Our routine consists of letting him spaz about in the morning. When he calms down I'll offer some millet to him; let him out of his cage for a soar. During this time we make him his breakfast and put it into his cage, and he'll go back in by himself to eat. Brekkie is veggies & fruits with either pellets, seeds or "gloop". Lotsa good recipes out there them and they're all pretty much edible for us humans too. xD I'm on a diet. Our house rule is: If the bird can't have it, I can't have it. (the pellets and seeds he gets quite rarely, but he likes them which is why we treat him to those once in a blue moon) We stopped giving him dry corn (thank you Pajarita ^^) and gave him normal cooked corn instead. He loved it - and also made the biggest mess I've ever seen an animal of his size make. xD

I think I've mentioned it before but bathtimes are a complete and utter joy to him. Simo has developed a habit of peeping softly to express contentment, which is really wonderful and helps us read him just a little more (other than body language of course). He'll peep softly during his spritzing, after having the millet, after eating and sometimes when I sit near him and he sits near me. He will also peep if I use the hair dryer on him - from a reasonable distance and very gentle heat setting (since I'm aware that birds can overheat quite easy). He likes it so much however, that when he sees me grab it for myself he'll squawk and peep at me. He does this same sound when he sees me handle an orange pepper or a plum.

He has also developed a habit of screaming, screeching and brawking at a specific cue - this cue being loud metal music that I play. This started unintentionally as I was listening to some music and I howled along with it (my singing is something awful... *cough*) so Simo happily started to scream along with me. Ever since then we've made this into a routine and notice that he seems to let it "all out". He won't scream for the rest of the day after that. This doesn't include other sounds he does. I'm quite certain he's trying to practice his speaking - when me and my husband are napping we sometimes hear him make the strangest sounds, one of them distinctly sounds like the word "Yeah".

All things considered, I -think- we're doing okay? He tends to show no discomfort or fright near me unless I accidentally move too fast towards his cage or make an odd movement. He is a little more skittish around the husband; but still accepting. Seems to be more of a momma's boy :roll: More than once when I've sat next to him he's shifted close to me on his perch, made his "contentment" peeps and the slow eye lid open / close thing. We have come quite far from when he was a frightened wild baby looking for a way out of his cage. I always however, do state that I take nothing for granted. Still, it has been amazing to watch his demeanor change. I honestly feel that me and my husband learn more from him than he from us.

Concerning treats, much to my surprise he doesn't seem to care for nuts AT all. We've tried cut, peeled, unpeeled, shelled, and un shelled nuts, all sorts (except peanuts) and he quite honestly doesn't seem to care for any. Thus far we've seen him nibble at an almond but that was it. He seems to prefer dried fruits and chunks of coconut for treats, as well as millet. There's a really huge, lovely organic shop near our house that sells a huge assortment of natural dried fruit, seeds, nuts etc. By natural I mean, no sugars, salts, spicing and so on. But I must say he's the only bird I know of who doesn't like nuts! o_O
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Re: WILD IRN HAS BECOME A MAMA'S BOY

Postby Pajarita » Wed Nov 04, 2015 10:46 am

Great news! It seems that he has learned to trust you and that is, most definitely, the first step for any good relationship!

It's not actually unusual for an IRN not to be enthused by nuts because they are not really part of their natural diet and if he is already getting high protein food (millet and pellets), there is no physical 'need' for him to be driven to gorge on them.
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Re: WILD IRN HAS BECOME A MAMA'S BOY

Postby Wolf » Wed Nov 04, 2015 11:13 am

It really seems that you are doing quite well with him and that he is beginning to trust you much more than earlier. I think that I would start offering the millet without the bars between the two of you and gradually shorten the length of the sprig, then I would start sticking the millet along side of my finger so that he might start stepping up onto the outstretched finger. Some will start doing this on their own when they are ready and then all you have to do is add the phrase" step up" until he accepts it as a request and steps up when asked to.
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