With Cuki I used a method with perch .... I started by just getting her to the perch and saying "up" , then I put my finger on the perch but further from Cuki then I started to get my finger closer to her and finally I put my finger on the whole perch and she stepped up !!
With Memo I just used that method of getting some food on your hand and after leaving him to fast for a short time I offered him the food with my hand and he simply got on it .







