Biting

[Jontchaav]

Yeah, that...And It is negative reinforcement... When there is à 1kg beast biteing you, you have to take drastic techniques.. You want to remove the biteing because it hurts, not because of the action.. You cannot UN-teach à bird to bite.. He Will always do, but if it is for his protection you have to change that, and fast.. Maybe you havent been bit by à large bird? The moluccan cocatoo has around 600KG pressure, which easily chops your fingers, but hell what am i talking about, why not cuddle with it and Bond..

Yes the larger birds can really do some damage when they give a mean bite. Yes if a Macaw is biting hard enough to break bones you have to do something drastic to stop it. What we are saying is if you take the time to train your bird using positive reinforcement, your bird should never get to the point of aggression where he wants to bite your finger off. I have been bit by Cockatoos and Macaws and Amazons and yes, they hurt. Sometimes you just have to suck it up and take it. If a person is going to throw or drop their bird to the ground every time they get bit, they should seriously reconsider parrot ownership.

Thats exactly what i said not to do, just wobble the hand so he gets it not remove the hand and clipp his wings so he fells down and gets hurt..
As i understood he hasnt had this bird from baby-state, but when its grown up. So what can he do? use drastic methods and then continue his bonding or whatever, its not like your parrot will hate you forever just because you do something he doesnt like when he does something you wont like..
My parrot is 3 months old, and it bit me for some random reason 2-3 days ago, and im lucky its a baby because he DID make my fingers bleed and swollow,.. i think hes still afraid of new people...

[meowingaround]

I brought Windy home from the breeders, I've had him since he was weaned.
I think everyone who's had input has given me useful information and it's appreciated.

But he's my first bird, I chose a cockatiel because they were recommended as a first bird. Supposed to be easy and gentle and NOT have the bigger parrot issues
In fact when I researched which parrot I should get I believe I read something about if you're afraid of getting bit pick a tiel.. hahahaha LIARS!!!!

But I have complete faith that now that I've found a useful community of bird people, you seriously cannot believe some of the groups out there fighting each other and sooo not helpful. And forget mentioning your bird is clipped.. off with your abusive head.

But when I picked him outta his brothers and sisters I choose him BECAUSE he wasn't just laying around chilling he was pacing back and forth as if ready for an adventure... so I got what I choose and we'll work it out so he's as happy as possible and I'm as safe as possible.

Yup I'm gonna get bit, I have a biter, I accept this *shrugs* But hopefully that will be rare, and not motivated by the desire to pick my eyeballs from their sockets. I swear sometimes that's how it feels like he's TRYING to peck out my eyes

But I love him regardless and certainly can't give him away, because so many out there would drop or throw him when he gets his nasty on. I did consider it before though, to be honest. I wanted a pile of cute and fuzzy and got instead a bird with multiple personalities, jekyll and hyde.

[Michael]

Here is what I have come to learn about punishment from studying psychology and hands on experience with my parrots (as well as observing the successes/failures of other owners through their narratives):

http://trainedparrot.com/index.php?bid= ... th+Parrots

If you wish to further discuss if punishment is or isn't effective, here is the new forum topic for that discussion:

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=3554

[footfoot]

nice post!

[entrancedbymyGCC]

Nice article!

[Jontchaav]

I brought Windy home from the breeders, I've had him since he was weaned.
I think everyone who's had input has given me useful information and it's appreciated.

But he's my first bird, I chose a cockatiel because they were recommended as a first bird. Supposed to be easy and gentle and NOT have the bigger parrot issues
In fact when I researched which parrot I should get I believe I read something about if you're afraid of getting bit pick a tiel.. hahahaha LIARS!!!!

But I have complete faith that now that I've found a useful community of bird people, you seriously cannot believe some of the groups out there fighting each other and sooo not helpful. And forget mentioning your bird is clipped.. off with your abusive head.

But when I picked him outta his brothers and sisters I choose him BECAUSE he wasn't just laying around chilling he was pacing back and forth as if ready for an adventure... so I got what I choose and we'll work it out so he's as happy as possible and I'm as safe as possible.

Yup I'm gonna get bit, I have a biter, I accept this *shrugs* But hopefully that will be rare, and not motivated by the desire to pick my eyeballs from their sockets. I swear sometimes that's how it feels like he's TRYING to peck out my eyes

But I love him regardless and certainly can't give him away, because so many out there would drop or throw him when he gets his nasty on. I did consider it before though, to be honest. I wanted a pile of cute and fuzzy and got instead a bird with multiple personalities, jekyll and hyde.

Well too be honest, if a cocatiel bit me i wouldnt care, i dont think it has the power to even penetrate your skin so why is it such a huge problem Oo

[meowingaround]

obviously you've never been bit by a cockatiel.. yes they penetrate the skin, in fact I end up with infections from those bites that you think are so harmless.

[pchela]

I've had worse bites from tiels than from large birds. A cockatiel bite may not be able to break bones, but it can hurt.

[Jontchaav]

obviously you've never been bit by a cockatiel.. yes they penetrate the skin, in fact I end up with infections from those bites that you think are so harmless.

Compared to breaking bones and snapping fingers ,yes its harmless.

[entrancedbymyGCC]

obviously you've never been bit by a cockatiel.. yes they penetrate the skin, in fact I end up with infections from those bites that you think are so harmless.

Compared to breaking bones and snapping fingers ,yes its harmless.

I dunno. Yeah, a big bird can do more serious structural damage, but pain does matter. I didn't think keeping birds was something we got into because we wanted to be uncomfortable and bleeding all the time. One bite from a small bird is not such a big deal, but a small bird really going at you can damage quite a bit of surface area. They are quick. And while a big beak has crushing power, a little beak can be quite sharp. I understand the need to avoid rewarding the undesired behavior, but I think if you are clever about the training process, you should not have to subject yourself to blood-letting on a regular basis. You can't afford to with a big bird, so why do it with a small one? Maybe on a rare occasion to avoid the bird learning the wrong lesson, but if you are really getting hurt all the time, I think it is time to think about changing the approach not just "cowgirling up".