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Training older Conures

Postby Monkeybuttorama » Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:57 pm

When my mom passed 2 years ago, I inherited her 2 green-cheek conure babies, only... they aren't babies anymore... Quite far from it, in fact; They are currently around 7 years old (exact age unknown), renamed Alien and Predator. I believe, because of what she told me, that they are a mated pair, however eventually I will get them DNA sexed to be sure (doesn't matter right now, anyway).

Nothing was ever done with these birds (and to boot, these are my first, other then a 'keet I had for about 3 months when I was a kid), before I got them; no substantial talking, no hand-feeding, no touching; they were, sadly, largely ignored. Even feeding was impersonal, as the cage sides had doors just for food that didn't require a hand in the cage at all.

I have been told by several people that I will never be able to train them, but I am not willing to accept this, and have been working with them for close to two years; they are now willing to take grapes, nothing else, directly from my fingers, albeit with much hesitation at first, and they startle quickly if I move too much.

They will not let me touch them (closest I have come is gently touching the tip of tail feathers until they notice), and although I have changed their cage once (from a cage intended for large parrots that had very little flight/movement room to a cage almost triple in interior space), they are iffy about leaving their established habitat, and refuse to come near an open cage door (both, on separate occasions, have gotten out exactly once, and have not tried since)

I am wondering if there is anything I can do differently or that I am not doing now to accelerate this process safely (for them and for me) and securely. I currently talk to them when they get chatty (repeating a single word in a friendly, quiet voice with a smile), I mimic their calls, which they seem to like, and I try 2+ times a day (when I can) to hand-feed them different foods, but they don't come near anything but grapes.

I would love to be able to treat these more like pets and less like decoration, and I feel that yes, I'm making progress, and because of the age, this should be enough, but I also want them to be happy with me, where right now, they shake themselves silly when I come near the cage.

Any insight would be greatly appreciated! ^_^ :gcc:
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Re: Training older Conures

Postby pennyandrocky » Thu Jun 07, 2012 5:14 am

it's never to late. first thing you have to change is sneaking to touch that breaks trust needed for bonding and training.just sit by the cage with the door open and talk to them then put your hand out make a little cave and they will crawl underneath. seperate cages will help too when they have another bird they don't really have much use for you.you can attach perches and toys to the outside of the cage to get them to come out on their own others have different ideas but i never reach inside the cage to get them out. for mine it's their space and i only go in to clean it out.hope this helps i inherited my first bird from negletful family too.
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Re: Training older Conures

Postby liz » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:39 am

Open the door. Let them come out on their own. Can they fly? Are they clipped or just never flew?

Flying creates confidence. Non fliers are insecure and afraid of everything.

If they have been in the cage all this time they don't want your hands in there. The cage is all they can claim as their own.

Once out - always tell them if you want to touch. Hands are scarey because they can make a bird do something they don't want to do.

My first hand contact with Myrtle was when she was on top of a door. I told her "tickle tickle" wiggled one finger and touched her feet. She wanted more and started saying "tickle tickle" at different times of the day to call me to her.

Myrtle is 2 and I rescued her last year. She still won't let me touch the top of her head or her back unless we are wrestling and she flips on her back to kick with her feet. She is so involved with the wrestling match that she doesn't pay attention to one of my fingers scatching her head.
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Re: Training older Conures

Postby Monkeybuttorama » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:44 am

Thank you both so much for your insight!

They are not clipped, but have never flown; the times they got out, they ended up stuck behind furniture, which I'm pretty sure is why they don't even want to consider getting out now (along with the birds, I inherited enough furniture to fill a 4 BR house, and I have it all in a small apartment, which means lots of places for them to get stuck, and makes getting another cage difficult, as well)

I will have to try to find a way to make these suggestions work. When I buy a house, it will be easier to do, for now, I will def. stop trying to touch them until they come to me, and figure out how to make my environment safe for them to explore

They are in my living room now, so they spend a lot of time watching/talking to me and talking to the birds that have nested by the window, and I generally chat with them once or twice an hour or more (when I'm around)

Is there, perhaps, any sort of music or recordings I can put on while I'm gone that would/could potentially help them feel more comfortable? Does mimicking their calls do any harm?

Sorry for all the questions, I just want to make sure I'm doing this right, and information online regarding training older/neglected birds is... terribly lacking.. :(
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Re: Training older Conures

Postby liz » Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:01 am

Myrtle loves music. Rambo is not that interested. She also likes to watch videos of Amazon parrots. Thanks to Dante she is now able to watch Greys.

Myrtle also likes to dance with me. Her favorite is Thriller becasuse I have so many jestures to go with the music. It is good excersize for me too.
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