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Oscar, a 4 year old senegal.

Postby shmee » Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:43 pm

Hello everyone on this delightful forum which I follow for quite a while now, because oh well, it always ends up finding its way into my google researchs.


The story:
Ok, i'll try to sum it up. My senegal :senegal: , named Oscar, is nearly 4 years old.

He was bought by my dad who didn't know a thing about parrots and ended up doing a poor choice since he clearly wasn't hand fed so it's probably a wild one. He has a big bald spot on the back of his neck, probably due to trauma or it's simply genetic, the vet has no idea what else to do about it.

When he was bought he had almost a full year I think and so he spent nearly 3 years 99% of the time alone in my garage completely neglected.

Out of nowhere, since August this year something awakened in me and I just had to do some good on this little guys life. I've been giving him my whole attention since then... So, moving on, since August I took him to the vet, changed his whole cage inside, diet and all those usual things.

The thing is, we're in December and he hasn't improved -that- much when it comes to being tame, I've tried clicker training him since like 2 months ago but he simply won't step up onto my fingers... he'd rather stretch his neck to the max to reach his treat than to make his life easier and step up (while doing this most of the times he's totally touching the step up hand with his chest).

He never ever said a word and I don't believe he will, it's been a great deal of time already to exclude that, I guess. He's more confortable with me being around but he's still pretty cage bound and I most say somewhat, I don't know, dull, maybe? Kinda harsh word though... He doesn't play with anything, ever. The only times he comes out of his cage willingly is if I remove his food bowl and he goes forage a bit on the nearer stuff in which I hide his pellets, but it's just like that, he picks up the pellet and goes way, no exploring, biting his toys or anything whatsoever, he'll run back to his cage instantly. Several times I've hidden his cage when he goes forage and I don't really like doing it because I'm somehow making him not trust me but I feel that need for him to explore a bit longer, sometimes I even managed to put him on the top of my laptop standing quite calmly.

Still lots to say but I guess this is a starting point. I wonder if he'll be recoverable and if will he ever be tame and hopefully the cuddle type.

Please, feel free to ask :thumbsup:

Details:

Cage measurements:
It's a 50x40cm rectangle with a height of approximately 70cms, I reckon this to be quite on the edge of being pretty minimum but the cages around here are just so god damn expensive, even tiny and used ones! It's on my mind to start calling to people who can work with iron, wood and that kind of stuff to see if anyone can make me one for a reasonable price.

Diet:
Before my first trip to the vet (August, 2012) with him he was, of course, on the infamous seed diet. Since then he had Nutribird and he's now on Zupreem Natural. Everyday he has one meal of pellets only and then another of some mashed veggies.

Feathers:
This is something that worries me quite a bit, mostly because the bald spot on his neck I mentioned above but also because in most of his feathers the tips are some form of darkened brown, why is this? Was it because of his previous bad diet, will these change soon? How soon?

Shower:
Since he's cage bound the only way I can give him shower is by using a spray/mist bottle, I like to lukewarm the water a bit before showering him since the days are pretty cold here these days. I do this everyday and he seems to like it! The first times he would freak out and walk everywhere but now he's ok with it.

Outdoors:
I'm lucky enough to live in a house with a nice backyard with trees and all that kind of stuff so sometimes even though I want him to be inside with me I'll go leave him outside (also for drying after shower) for a while since I know that sunlight it's pretty important to them but I still have some doubts... How long? Shadow or direct sunlight?...

Training/Training:
Like 2 months ago I started clicker training him, he's not doing that bad except for the step up part because he does nip the target stick I use before clicking and giving him a treat. But most of the times even for this he'll simply ignore it.


I want to write some more but I feel this to be pretty long already, sorry for that! :?

Cheers from Portugal,
Rogério
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Re: Oscar, a 4 year old senegal.

Postby marie83 » Sat Jan 05, 2013 7:11 am

Welcome to the forums :)

Sorry if some of this sounds blunt because I don't have time for a lonbg reply right now.

Cage- get saving up asap, he needs a much bigger cage, especially if he is not getting out that much.

Diet- doesn't sound too bad, certainly not anything than needs looking at urgently.

Feathers- dont worry about the bald spot at the back of the neck, chances are his parents or another bird kept plucking the back of his neck and damaged the feather follicules. It might be something else but as its localised and in an area he cannot reach? I highly doubt it will be something else. The brown you refer to, hard to say but are these new feathers that are growing in? They could be blood feathers and nothing to worry about, just leave them alone. Someone else might be able to help you if it isn't the blood feathers.

Shower- seems okay, remember you dont need to soak him through every single time though.

Taming and training- can take time, patience and more time. Try offering your arm for him to step up onto rather than your hand. If he is happy enough to lean he chest against you when reaching over then I think the time has come for you to stop allowing the treat for it, keep it just out of his reach no matter how far he stretches. Try fixing a perch to the outside of the cage for him to climb on to, when he is really happy to climb onto the perch you can try to use your arm as an extention of the perch to start with and gradually lure him across with the food. Don't move your arm to start with, just let him get used to the sensation of being perched on something different.
Then you could try using your arm in front of him so it is horizontal along side the perch so he is just stepping forward to start with, rather than upwards.
Also try taking his food from him a few hours before treaining to make him more motivated.

Good luck and let us know how you get on.
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Re: Oscar, a 4 year old senegal.

Postby shmee » Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:31 am

Oh my... really got to start worrying about the cage I see, even if he's 95% of the time on the same perch?

About the feathers, the bald spot is localised yes and he can't reach there (see pic). Those dark brown/blackish tips I've always known him with those, not sure :?

Pic:
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About the shower, how do you reckon that I could him to shower on a bowl or something similar? I'd love to see that.

Ok, I'll no longer offer a treat as far as he reaches, he'll hate me :roll: and ye he does have one good upper "outside" of his cage, you can see it in the photo. I'll try the arm thing... and yes I usually remove his food before training, never sure for how long though.

Thanks :P
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Re: Oscar, a 4 year old senegal.

Postby friend2parrots » Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:43 am

first off, THANK YOU for giving this bird a second chance in life.

several things:

youre super lucky to be following this forum because as you prob know, there are a GAZILLION posts in the forum, from the present moment all the way back through past years, on senegal care. also read the owners blog if you havent.

do all this reading on your computer while seated next to your parrot. he can come out of the cage at his own pace, dont rush him. and follow marie's guidelines re: a perch attached to outside of cage.

the dullness you see is a sign that he does not trust his environment enough to be himself. it will only go away once he gets more comfortable. you will have to be patient, as it will take a while. don't rush him, but work slowly at his pace.

agree that you need to start saving immediately for the absolute biggest cage/aviary that meets the correct bar spacing requirements. it WILL be expensive, but its a one time expense - and you may have to live frugally for a couple of months while saving, but its worth it as your bird has a long lifespan and this is where he will spend a good portion of his life. ideally, your bird should be able to fly in the cage, even if he has ample opportunity to fly in your house during the day. it will help him to release pent-up stress.

good luck- and please post with updates on how he's doing.
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Re: Oscar, a 4 year old senegal.

Postby shmee » Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:58 am

Hey ^^
I did read most of the things already, I just like getting some feedback on a specific little guy ;)

What you would consider a big enough cage?

P.S.: One of the few things he loves doing is chewing wood.
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Re: Oscar, a 4 year old senegal.

Postby friend2parrots » Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:28 am

hmmm.... in my opinion there's no such thing as a big enough cage. the bigger the better, as long as its correct bar spacing, and its soundly manufactured. maybe other senegal owners can advise on that?
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Re: Oscar, a 4 year old senegal.

Postby friend2parrots » Sat Jan 05, 2013 11:03 am

i was thinking a little bit more about Oscar - and the following occurred to me - sometimes birds in Oscar's situation, especially if they were not handfed, REALLY enjoy and sparkle with life when they have a bird companion. i'm not sure if you or your family is up to it, but it might make a world of difference to Oscar if somewhere down the line, in the future, you are able to get him an ADULT bird companion from a rescue that lets you bring Oscar in (after he's been thoroughly checked, innoculated, etc for good health etc by an avian vet - you'll have to take the vet papers with you to the rescue) and walk around with him, and let him pick out a bird buddy.

just a suggestion - :) thank you for your kind heart and best wishes for the future! :)
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Re: Oscar, a 4 year old senegal.

Postby shmee » Sat Jan 05, 2013 11:37 am

I do have that in mind, yes! It's a question of money really... and if I'm struggling with Oscar's cage where would I put this new fellow buddy?... maybe a budgie though :D :budgie:
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Re: Oscar, a 4 year old senegal.

Postby friend2parrots » Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:25 pm

:D yeah, thats a good question..... maybe hold off on the final cage decision until you know for sure where in your house is the ideal place for Oscar and his future companion (they would both need separate cages) to have their cages... maybe they won't both be able to fly in their cages then, but that shouldnt matter all that much i would think, if they get ample flight time around the house on a daily basis. the sheer presence of a second bird would definitely be something that would enhance his happiness even more than a humungous flight cage, in my opinion.

before you finalize things, you may want to get advice from other senegal owners on this forum as to what species of bird would be the best birdbuddy for your Oscar. i would think another adult bird of similar size from a rescue would be great, just so Oscar feels like he's got a likeminded friend, you know?

i would suggest you think hard about what kind of bird the second bird will be, then you will know which size cages to plan to get for each one.
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Re: Oscar, a 4 year old senegal.

Postby marie83 » Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:45 pm

Hmm just re-read what you put about the feather thing and I think i misunderstood,it doesn't sound like a blood feather so ignore what I put previously.

Tbh, for now I disagree with Friend2parrots for once and I would hold off on getting a second bird, particuarly a budgie. I have many reasons for saying this but the main one is- I think you have enough on at the moment gaining this little guys trust.

I've just noticed that your sennie isn't flighted, this is usually the first thing I look at to see if they are clipped or not. Is he clipped or can he just not fly due to lack of exercise? If he is clipped I would recommend letting his feathers grow, the ability to fly will help with his confidence amongst other things.

Some birds only get fed twice a day so you will be okay to remove his food for longer than an hour or 2 prior to training. Mine go 12 hours between meals some days but they do get treats in between and a portion of their allowence in foraging toys. Keep his favorite treat solely for training, dont give it at any other time.


Have you tried target training btw? This may offer a good way to establish some trust and confidence. This topic offers some advice on target training http://www.theparrotforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=227
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