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Re: Zeus ?

Postby Mecnun » Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:50 am

Pajarita wrote:I don't think anybody can tell from a video, my dear. And I've gotten hand-fed birds that hated people so you can't go by their behavior.

What I do see is a VERY very distressed and almost desperate bird in a terribly small cage (I would not put a tiny finch in there - I have a couple of cages like that one but I use them for transport, only), with bad perches, no toys, no wood to chew, no fresh fruit, no leafy green, nothing to make him happy so it's no surprise he's so upset and keeps on looking for a way to get out. He doesn't even have a spot where he can feel secure (like an upper corner with a material draped over it so he feels protected from predators).

Parrots need huge cages with lots of things to entertain them and a good diet (a diet of only seeds will kill him, eventually).



i know cage not ready for zeus . this video first day video . and maybe cage too small . i will buy all needs .

this is not problem for me .
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Re: Zeus ?

Postby Wolf » Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:56 am

Mecnun, thank you for sharing the video of Zeus with us. He appears to be a healthy bird to me, but the only way to be sure is through a vet check which I do recommend. Unfortunately, I do not know of anyone that can tell you for certain if this was a wild caught bird from a video of him. Only the vendor that you got him from would have that information, but I do know that the vast majority of the Senegals sold at market in Turkey are wild caught. I know this from several other conversations with people from Turkey, these conversations are my sole basis for saying this, but I do believe this to be true. From what I see of him in his too small cage I like him. I will watch this video several more times, I always do, but I think that he will make you a wonderful friend if you will just give him the chance.

Pajarita, thank you for the additional information, about half of it, I must admit to having no knowledge of. All that I can say is that so far the only documented information concerning the eye color change is that it occurs between the ages of 2 and 5 years of age with the occasional change occurring as early as 18 months, and only the occasional one as late as 5 yrs as it is part of the becoming an adult thing. Also there are a few that are referred to as blue eyed as their eye color never changes from the brown of the juvenile bird. I don't know why they are called blue eyed as their eye color is brown. That my dear friend is all that I have on this and so I thank you for the additional information and I assure you that I will research this further when my time allows as I really am fascinated by these remarkable creatures and want to learn all that I can about them.
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Re: Zeus ?

Postby Mecnun » Mon Jul 07, 2014 9:18 am

After some time, we'll go to the vet. OK. and over time I will upload new videos for you here.


thank you so much guys .been very helpful to me and to Zeus.
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Re: Zeus ?

Postby Mecnun » Mon Jul 07, 2014 2:30 pm

i think this friendship very hard ..because zeus attack me to night. and he is so aggressive. pff .
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Re: Zeus ?

Postby Harpmaker » Mon Jul 07, 2014 2:59 pm

Hello Mecnun! I'm sorry to hear that Zeus attacked you, but parrots don't attack without reason. The trick is to find out why, and avoid provoking them. They also normally give warning before they attack, but it takes time to learn their body language. Sometimes all you need is to wait a few seconds and they will change their mind about attacking.

All parrots bite. It doesn't count unless they make you bleed. If they are young or unused to people like Zeus is, they probably don't know how fragile a person's skin is, and need an instruction to be gentle if they bite too hard. After Zeus is used to you, he will probably just pinch to get your attention.

My bird will grab my finger, move it as high as she can reach, then let go and put her head under it to be scratched. If I resist having my finger moved, she will automatically bite harder until I let her move it. But the pinch, or bite is NOT an attack, just a request in the only way she can make it. Maybe someday she will learn enough words to ask, but maybe not.

Remember Zeus is in a strange and frightening situation, and needs you to talk to him and help him understand what is happening to him. Parrots are wild animals and need to be treated with respect.

Anyone on this forum will be happy to help you make friends with Zeus.
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Re: Zeus ?

Postby Mecnun » Mon Jul 07, 2014 4:05 pm

Harpmaker wrote:Hello Mecnun! I'm sorry to hear that Zeus attacked you, but parrots don't attack without reason. The trick is to find out why, and avoid provoking them. They also normally give warning before they attack, but it takes time to learn their body language. Sometimes all you need is to wait a few seconds and they will change their mind about attacking.

All parrots bite. It doesn't count unless they make you bleed. If they are young or unused to people like Zeus is, they probably don't know how fragile a person's skin is, and need an instruction to be gentle if they bite too hard. After Zeus is used to you, he will probably just pinch to get your attention.

My bird will grab my finger, move it as high as she can reach, then let go and put her head under it to be scratched. If I resist having my finger moved, she will automatically bite harder until I let her move it. But the pinch, or bite is NOT an attack, just a request in the only way she can make it. Maybe someday she will learn enough words to ask, but maybe not.

Remember Zeus is in a strange and frightening situation, and needs you to talk to him and help him understand what is happening to him. Parrots are wild animals and need to be treated with respect.

Anyone on this forum will be happy to help you make friends with Zeus.



you right , maybe we need little bit time . zeus too wild ... I am afraid it is too big beak: D

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what do you think , Did you afraid ? :D
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Re: Zeus ?

Postby moderndaydinosaurs » Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:07 pm

Hi Mecnun! Sorry to hear that things with your new bird are not how you had imagined. It was very cruel of the person who sold you this bird to put the two of you in this situation. But hopefully with some help you can make the best of it.

I noticed that Zeus doesn't have any toys in his cage. I don't know whether it is hard to get bird toys in Turkey, but he definitely needs some things to chew and shred in order to help him get his frustration out. If you can't find toys that are especially made for birds, then even popsicle sticks, toilet paper rolls, and some cardboard or paper towels can be used. You will soon need to get toys that are more safe and made for birds because these things all have chemicals and things that could cause health problems in the future, but if it's all you have right now, it's better than nothing.

If you have apples or other fruit, I would try bringing him little pieces and putting them just through the cage bars where he can reach them. He will eventually try one and see that it's yummy! Then he will remember that it was from you, and he will start to feel a little less scared.

Be patient and don't feel sad if he doesn't like you right away. It will take a long time-- maybe even several months-- before you can really hold him. But he will not always be so scared or bite so much.

I hope this is helpful.
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Re: Zeus ?

Postby Wolf » Mon Jul 07, 2014 10:59 pm

Try to remember that Zeus has just been through a terrifying situation at the hands of those who only got him to make money and have no regard for him as a living being, much less one that is intelligent and has feeling just like we do. Further along with this is that he was most likely wild caught so his whole world has changed and everything that he knew has gone away, so although he is terrified of you at this point in time, he needs you just as much and he needs you to reassure him that everything will be alright. This is going to take some time.
Try to get him a larger cage as soon as it is possible, and some untreated pieces of wood to chew on. This bird basically is as smart as a 4 or 5 yr. old child, with the emotional capacity similar to a 2 yr. old. He would probably like palm fronds, if you can get them for him to shred and destroy. Several others have given more suggestions about toys and other things that he needs for mental and emotional enrichment, so I am leaving the majority of that to them as it is good advice. But to be honest, what he needs more than anything else is a good diet and you. If you will read this you will find a lot of information on things and foods that are safe or toxic to Zeus.

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Some where on the second page of postings you will find my favorite list of foods, and trees and woods that you can use with him as well as a listing of things that are bad for him. Try to get him to eat vegetables and fruit with only a small amount of seed in the evenings.
Lets move on to taming Zeus and starting to earn his trust. If it is at all possible you will need to set aside about 15 minutes about 3 or 4 times each day. This time is the most important time ever in Zeus's new life with you as this is when he first gets to know you and that you will not hurt him so that he can begin to trust you. I will not try to say how long this will take because it varies a lot, but I will say that if you do this he will in his own time begin to trust you.
To start, you look at Zeus from the corner of your eyes, not straight on like a predator would. Watch him and begin to approach his cage and as soon as he starts to fidget or move about stop and do not go any closer during this session. Now in a calm voice you need to talk to him. Although it doesn't really matter what you say at this point I try to include lots of praise for him, telling him that he is a good boy and things like that. I also try to talk to him as if he is my best friend and so I talk to him about my hopes for our friendship and thinks that I would like to be able to do with him. For me it just makes it easier to talk for this length of time. When the time is up say good bye and leave. As time goes on you will find that he will let you approach closer to his cage until you are right at the front of the cage.
When he remains calm and lets you approach all the way to his cage, you will be able to introduce him to treats from you. If you are to offer Zeus treats, you are going to need to discover what food he likes the most. You do this by putting a variety of the foods that he eats in a dish and watch what he goes for first, that will be what he likes the best. Take the first two foods that he eats and remove them from his everyday food. These are your treats for him.
You continue with your talking to him just as always but now you will have 3 or 4 treats to offer to him during your time together. When you offer him the treat, he will probably not take it at first and that is ok, just leave it where he can get it and continue talking to him and offering his treats until the time is up. Just be patient and he will eventually take the treat that you are offering through the bars.
Now, when he takes his treats from you through the bars of his cage, you are ready to begin offering him treats through the open door of his cage during your talks. When he takes the treats from your hand with the door open you can offer him the treat by holding it so that he has to step on to your hand to get the treat. This is the point where he will show you if he trusts you any as he has to step up for the treat. Once this occurs you will be able to move on with normal target training and so on.
This is the only method that I use as all of my birds, with the exception of one, were severely traumatized before they came to me and earning their trust is the single most important thing that they need in their lives. Sometime soon Zeus will also be needing time to just be himself out of his cage, but we can cover that during my next post here.
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Re: Zeus ?

Postby Mecnun » Tue Jul 08, 2014 12:36 am

moderndaydinosaurs wrote:Hi Mecnun! Sorry to hear that things with your new bird are not how you had imagined. It was very cruel of the person who sold you this bird to put the two of you in this situation. But hopefully with some help you can make the best of it.

I noticed that Zeus doesn't have any toys in his cage. I don't know whether it is hard to get bird toys in Turkey, but he definitely needs some things to chew and shred in order to help him get his frustration out. If you can't find toys that are especially made for birds, then even popsicle sticks, toilet paper rolls, and some cardboard or paper towels can be used. You will soon need to get toys that are more safe and made for birds because these things all have chemicals and things that could cause health problems in the future, but if it's all you have right now, it's better than nothing.

If you have apples or other fruit, I would try bringing him little pieces and putting them just through the cage bars where he can reach them. He will eventually try one and see that it's yummy! Then he will remember that it was from you, and he will start to feel a little less scared.

Be patient and don't feel sad if he doesn't like you right away. It will take a long time-- maybe even several months-- before you can really hold him. But he will not always be so scared or bite so much.

I hope this is helpful.



okey . i will buy some toys for zeus to day .


yesterday I bought drinkers, new wood stick ,bird manger for zeus .


But actually I am not hopeful .Because zeus watched me all night and just '' Hrrrrrrrrr ''

maybe too late for zeus ... i feel really bad ... I feel sorry for Zeus and me .
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Re: Zeus ?

Postby Wolf » Tue Jul 08, 2014 5:04 am

Don't worry about this Zeus is not doing anything out of the ordinary, this forum is full of stories that are almost identical to yours, at least as far as new bird comes home and first time owner tries to handle the new bird and new bird attacks new owner. This is very common and this is with baby birds that were bred and raised in captivity.
I have a bird that I have been working with since February, she is now 15 yrs. old and was traumatized so that her biggest problem is that she is terrified of everything. As of today, I have only earned enough trust from her to be able to take her from her cage and place her on a tree perch that I made for her. Yet she really is a very loving bird and she is trying so hard to get through her problems.
Try to look at things from the perspective of your bird. Imagine how you might feel and react if suddenly a race of giants 100 feet tall captured you, locked you in prison, fed you garbage and then sold you to another giant as a pet. Try to imagine, that you don't know how to talk to this new giant, and that the first day you are moved to the new giants home , it takes you from your new prison and tries to pet you, touch you all over, without your permission and against your will. What would you do? How would you react to this?
This actually is a pretty good description of what has happened with Zeus. Neither you or he need you to be feeling sorry about this chain of events. Both of you need you to relax and try to be understanding and to proceed slowly and show him that you can be trusted. I explained to you how to do this and if you will just give him the time and follow through with what I have told you, I assure you that everything will work out and you will have the start of a wonderful relationship with Zeus.
He is a parrot and he is highly intelligent and he has feeling just the same as you do and he is afraid. No parrot is a push button toy, that you can just buy and do what ever you want to them without regard for how they fell about it. This doesn't matter if the bird is captive bred and raised or wild caught, it doesn't matter if it is 6or 7 months old or if it is 10 years old. Parrots will not just let you do anything to them without regard for how they feel, and you have only had him for a couple of days, I really don't think that you are give either of you any chance at all.
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