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Re: Zeus ?

Postby Mecnun » Tue Jul 08, 2014 5:59 am

Wolf wrote:Don't worry about this Zeus is not doing anything out of the ordinary, this forum is full of stories that are almost identical to yours, at least as far as new bird comes home and first time owner tries to handle the new bird and new bird attacks new owner. This is very common and this is with baby birds that were bred and raised in captivity.
I have a bird that I have been working with since February, she is now 15 yrs. old and was traumatized so that her biggest problem is that she is terrified of everything. As of today, I have only earned enough trust from her to be able to take her from her cage and place her on a tree perch that I made for her. Yet she really is a very loving bird and she is trying so hard to get through her problems.
Try to look at things from the perspective of your bird. Imagine how you might feel and react if suddenly a race of giants 100 feet tall captured you, locked you in prison, fed you garbage and then sold you to another giant as a pet. Try to imagine, that you don't know how to talk to this new giant, and that the first day you are moved to the new giants home , it takes you from your new prison and tries to pet you, touch you all over, without your permission and against your will. What would you do? How would you react to this?
This actually is a pretty good description of what has happened with Zeus. Neither you or he need you to be feeling sorry about this chain of events. Both of you need you to relax and try to be understanding and to proceed slowly and show him that you can be trusted. I explained to you how to do this and if you will just give him the time and follow through with what I have told you, I assure you that everything will work out and you will have the start of a wonderful relationship with Zeus.
He is a parrot and he is highly intelligent and he has feeling just the same as you do and he is afraid. No parrot is a push button toy, that you can just buy and do what ever you want to them without regard for how they fell about it. This doesn't matter if the bird is captive bred and raised or wild caught, it doesn't matter if it is 6or 7 months old or if it is 10 years old. Parrots will not just let you do anything to them without regard for how they feel, and you have only had him for a couple of days, I really don't think that you are give either of you any chance at all.


Hi wolf

I want to believe you . really , your ideas very hopeful.. I'm reading it and I'm courageous...I'm an impatient person. maybe zeus need too long time .

I'm sentimental...if we can this so ZeuS and if I can be friends . I will too happy . because its not easy way ...a wild bird makes me very happy to accept me.I think , Zeus the tough guy in jungle ...strong one .
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Re: Zeus ?

Postby Wolf » Tue Jul 08, 2014 8:28 am

Senegals are very courageous birds and also very loyal, I know because I have one. She is about 5 yrs. old and she fears no living thing, she chases my two 90 pound dogs away from their food, if I don't watch her like a hawk, but at the same time I can only put one or 2 new toys at the most in her cage until she gets used to them. She has a big beak and she enjoys using it, but she is getting better and now the only time she bites me is if she thinks that I am going to put her in her cage and she isn't ready.
It does take time to make friends with them, but I think it is worth it all. I don't make friends very fast and I see no reason why these smart little birds should trust everyone they see either. After all the things that man has done to them it is really a wonder that they will even try to trust us at all, but they do try to trust us. Once Zeus trusts you enough not only will teaching him new things be faster and easier, he will want to spend most of his time on your shoulder.
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Re: Zeus ?

Postby Mecnun » Tue Jul 08, 2014 8:53 am

Wolf wrote:Senegals are very courageous birds and also very loyal, I know because I have one. She is about 5 yrs. old and she fears no living thing, she chases my two 90 pound dogs away from their food, if I don't watch her like a hawk, but at the same time I can only put one or 2 new toys at the most in her cage until she gets used to them. She has a big beak and she enjoys using it, but she is getting better and now the only time she bites me is if she thinks that I am going to put her in her cage and she isn't ready.
It does take time to make friends with them, but I think it is worth it all. I don't make friends very fast and I see no reason why these smart little birds should trust everyone they see either. After all the things that man has done to them it is really a wonder that they will even try to trust us at all, but they do try to trust us. Once Zeus trusts you enough not only will teaching him new things be faster and easier, he will want to spend most of his time on your shoulder.


Ahahah i see . we agree about senegal parrots . very courageous and also very loyal . Can I see your senegal ? have photos ? I want to see her.

also my senegal Zeus too wild . have different appearance . too predatory like a hawk or falcon .

maybe , little bit wild senegal , not bad . little bit cool . but you know , I can not touch to zeus
yet .
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Re: Zeus ?

Postby Wolf » Tue Jul 08, 2014 9:11 am

I will get some pictures of her for you soon. Zeus may be wild but he is definitely not predatory, they are prey animals and the only reason that he is like this right now is because he is afraid and alone, and that is all. It is the reason that he attacked you and it is the reason that you can't touch him now. he needs you to be with him and to reassure him that it is alright and that you will not hurt him, and that takes a little bit of time.
I can assure you that my Senegal thinks just like yours does. When she is afraid she bites, if she doesn't like something she bites or she flies away from it if she can. When they are in a cage they can't fly away from anything so their only recourse is to bite. I would do exactly the same thing.
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Re: Zeus ?

Postby Mecnun » Tue Jul 08, 2014 9:21 am

Wolf wrote:I will get some pictures of her for you soon. Zeus may be wild but he is definitely not predatory, they are prey animals and the only reason that he is like this right now is because he is afraid and alone, and that is all. It is the reason that he attacked you and it is the reason that you can't touch him now. he needs you to be with him and to reassure him that it is alright and that you will not hurt him, and that takes a little bit of time.
I can assure you that my Senegal thinks just like yours does. When she is afraid she bites, if she doesn't like something she bites or she flies away from it if she can. When they are in a cage they can't fly away from anything so their only recourse is to bite. I would do exactly the same thing.



I see ,you right, okay I will wait for photos .
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Re: Zeus ?

Postby Harpmaker » Tue Jul 08, 2014 2:49 pm

Mecnun, Wolf is right about how to tame any parrot. On the bright side, a wild caught bird probably has a longer lifespan than the captive-bred ones we have, so they have more time to be your friend. Time spent going slowly now will pay HUGE dividends in the future.

I myself have a Meyer's parrot, which is probably the Senegal's closest relative. She is smaller than a Senegal, being only 100 grams, but a month ago she decided my 20kg dog was attacking me and beat the dog off with her wings, much to the dog's confusion. They are fearless defenders.

It does hurt when they bite, but you can't let them know that. If you follow Wolf's instructions, you may not be bitten again. But it takes a lot of patience.
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Re: Zeus ?

Postby liz » Tue Jul 08, 2014 10:33 pm

Did Zeus bite when you had your hand in his cage? He will defend the only place he knows is his.

I know I have strange methods but I would open the cage and let him out. Let him learn more about you by exploring. When he is hungry he will go back to his cage.

It is true that Myrtle was only a year old when I got her but she had not been treated well and had quite a few issues. The first thing I did when I brought her home was open her cage. She was afraid of everything but realized that she had to depend on me. She is now very well adjusted and happy. When her feathers grew back in she started flying to me.
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Re: Zeus ?

Postby Mecnun » Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:54 am

liz wrote:Did Zeus bite when you had your hand in his cage? He will defend the only place he knows is his.

I know I have strange methods but I would open the cage and let him out. Let him learn more about you by exploring. When he is hungry he will go back to his cage.

It is true that Myrtle was only a year old when I got her but she had not been treated well and had quite a few issues. The first thing I did when I brought her home was open her cage. She was afraid of everything but realized that she had to depend on me. She is now very well adjusted and happy. When her feathers grew back in she started flying to me.


Hi liz , actually he no bite me , just attack little bit , probably afraid because my hand in cage for water and food changes ..

I think maybe this is nice idea . I try to night. open cage and we will see what happened.

Thank you .
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Re: Zeus ?

Postby Mecnun » Wed Jul 09, 2014 2:03 am

Harpmaker wrote:Mecnun, Wolf is right about how to tame any parrot. On the bright side, a wild caught bird probably has a longer lifespan than the captive-bred ones we have, so they have more time to be your friend. Time spent going slowly now will pay HUGE dividends in the future.

I myself have a Meyer's parrot, which is probably the Senegal's closest relative. She is smaller than a Senegal, being only 100 grams, but a month ago she decided my 20kg dog was attacking me and beat the dog off with her wings, much to the dog's confusion. They are fearless defenders.

It does hurt when they bite, but you can't let them know that. If you follow Wolf's instructions, you may not be bitten again. But it takes a lot of patience.


Hi harpmaker .

She protect you ? I think its so beatiful . my Zeus too Wild you can see .I think he have spent a lot of time in jungle , natural life .



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Re: Zeus ?

Postby Wolf » Wed Jul 09, 2014 5:56 am

I will try to get you a picture or two of Kiki, my Senegal later on today. It just isn't on the top of my list right now as I am in the middle of putting in new flooring throughout my house.
You will need to allow time for Zeus to be out of his cage for at least 2 hours a day, starting as soon as you can. I told you that I would bring this up right after giving you my taming method, but I got side tracked a little. Two hours of free time is just the minimum amount of time he actually needs more than that but, two hours should be enough for a little while.
The best time for you to let Zeus out to have his free time is in the early evening about 2 hours before dusk. The reason for this time of day is that shortly after dusk he will want to eat and go to sleep. So if you have any difficulty in getting him back in the cage all you need to do is put his dinner in the cage and leave it open, he will most likely return to it on his own.
When you are ready to let him have his free time, make sure that all windows are closed and that anyone in the house knows that you are going to let him out so that they don't open the door to your room or wherever you have him as you don't want him to escape. I suggest that you make it a routine as he needs this time every day. It will help him to get accustomed to his new home and to work out some of his frustration and aggression in a manner that doesn't hurt anyone. His flying about is the single most important activity that he can do as it keeps his mind and body working in the manner that it is supposed to work and it is the best way for him to work out his fear and any other form of tension that comes from his new life.
Next, I would like to talk about his diet with you. Have you read the link that I gave to you that has the list of safe and toxic things for your bird, yet? If not please do when you get the opportunity to do so, I am sure that you will find it very useful.
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