Zeus ?

[Mecnun]

Thank you so much for everything, we are more good now .



I use it for zeus ? Its good ?

[Wolf]

I am not familiar with this food, but I will research it and get back to you on it. Regardless of the answer on this food, I can say that all by itself it is not good enough as Zeus needs far more than seeds and nuts to have a good healthy diet. A seed mix such as this is good for feeding him as the evening meal and then removing it from the cage after he goes to sleep.
He needs to have a variety of vegetables and fruits in his diet as well as cooked whole grains. The best time to give him these things are for his morning meal. This is why I asked you to read the list that I provided you the link to as it contains a list of good and bad foods for Zeus. Please take the time to read it, the list is on the second page. I will get back to you later today.

[Pajarita]

Ingredients
Cereals, Seeds, Fruits (4% dates 5% carob 3% figs), Vegetables (7.5% mungbeans), Minerals.
Guaranteed Analysis
Protein 11.9%
Oil 6.5%
Fibre 7%
Ash 4.6%
Moisture 11.3%
Carbohydrates 58.7%
Calcium 1%
Phosphorus 0.30%
Supplemented Vitamins/Kg
Vitmain A 8000 UI
Vitamin D3 900 UI
Vitamin E50mg
Vitamin B1 4mg
Vitamin B2 6mg
Vitmain B6 6mg
Vitmain B12 10ug
Biotin 250ug
Niacin 50mg
Pantothenic acid 20mg
Copper 8mg
Iron 80mg
Zinc 50mg
Manganese 65mg
Iodine 0.4mg


It's not bad at all although it doesn't list the actual grains (just says 'cereals') but I would not free-feed it, I would use it for dinner only and give him cooked whole grains mixed with veggies and fresh fruit and leafy green for breakfast.

[Wolf]

VitaSmart Sunflower Free
VitaSmart Sunflower Free Formula
Parrot & Conure
Available in: 4 lb
Item: 34490


Nutritionally Complete High Diversity Diet
Sunflower Free Formula
Contains DHA & Omega-3's
Blended with Fruits, Vegetables, Flowers & Eggs
Contains Prebiotics & Probiotics to support digestion
Added Calcium to support beak and bone development!
Made in USA!



Ingredients: Safflower Seed, Wheat, Oat Groats, Flaked Peas, Ground Corn, Heat-Processed Soybeans, Peanuts, Puffed Wheat, Ground Wheat, Dehulled Soybean Meal, Flaked Corn, Soybean Hulls, Wheat Middlings, Corn Gluten Meal, Buckwheat, Filberts, Calcium Carbonate, Dehydrated Banana, Dehydrated Carrots, Dehydrated Papaya, Dried Rose Hips, Sliced Almonds, Dehydrated Alfalfa Meal, Vegetable Oil, Dehydrated Coconut, Chili Peppers, Pine Nuts, Monocalcium Phosphate, Dicalcium Phosphate, Dried Egg, Ground Steam-Rolled Oats, Dried Plain Beet Pulp, Algae Meal, Dried Chamomile Flowers, Salt, L-Lysine, Potassium Chloride, Orange Oil Extract, Apple Juice Concentrate, Choline Chloride, Magnesium Oxide, Vitamin A Supplement, Dried Lactobacillus Acidophilus Fermentation Product, Dried Lactobacillus Casei Fermentation Product, Dried Enterococcus Faecium Fermentation Product, Dried Bifidobacterium Bifidum Fermentation Product, Dried Aspergillus Oryzae Fermentation Product, Torula Dried Yeast, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Vitamin E Supplement, Zinc Methionine Complex, Manganese Methionine Complex, Copper Lysine Complex, Cobalt Glucoheptonate, DL-Methionine, Ground Flax Seed, Wheat Germ Meal, Fructooligosaccharide, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Yeast Culture, Ground Rolled Oats, L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate, Dried Kelp, Niacin Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex, Biotin, Folic Acid, Thiamine Mononitrate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Zinc Oxide, Zinc Sulfate, Manganese Sulfate, Manganous Oxide, Copper Sulfate, Ferrous Sulfate, Potassium Iodide, Cobalt Sulfate, Sodium Selenite, Color Added (Titanium Dioxide, Yellow 5, Yellow 6, Red 40, Blue 1), Aloe Vera Concentrate.

Guaranteed Analysis % AMT UOM
Crude Protein (min) 16.0%
Crude Fat (min) 12.0%
Crude Fiber (max) 13.0%
Moisture (max) 14.0%
Calcium (min) 0.7%
Phosphorus (min) 0.4%
Vitamin A (min) 10,000 IU/kg
Vitamin D3 (min) 1,000 IU/kg
Vitamin E (min) 70 IU/kg
Omega-3 Fatty Acids (min) 0.4%
Docosahexaenoic Acid (DHA) (min) 0.04%
Total Microorganisms (min) 90,000 CFU/g (L. acidophilus, L. Casei, E. Faecium, B. Bifidum, A. oryzae)

And this is what I found concerning the feed that you showed in your post. It isn't bad, but I do agree with Pajarita about how to use this food. By the way she is the most knowledgeable person here on nutrition as far as I know. This information is from the manufacturer and although it is labeled a little different it is the same bag in all other respects. I searched for Vitakraft African bird food, and this is what I got.


Vitakraft Sun Seed, Inc.
P.O BOX 33
Bowling Green, OH 43402
(419) 832-1641
customerservice@vitakraft.us

[Mecnun]

I am not familiar with this food, but I will research it and get back to you on it. Regardless of the answer on this food, I can say that all by itself it is not good enough as Zeus needs far more than seeds and nuts to have a good healthy diet. A seed mix such as this is good for feeding him as the evening meal and then removing it from the cage after he goes to sleep.
He needs to have a variety of vegetables and fruits in his diet as well as cooked whole grains. The best time to give him these things are for his morning meal. This is why I asked you to read the list that I provided you the link to as it contains a list of good and bad foods for Zeus. Please take the time to read it, the list is on the second page. I will get back to you later today.

Hi wolf . okey I will wait you . Thank you so much .


And guys I have good news . I think Zeus is so smart . no panic , no attack he just careful , too careful , always watching me. I think he understand me because I say zeus getout , out , out cage . and he go outside later i say Zeus go inside and he go cage

of course not just say , saying + hand directives . but he listening to me I love zeus and I think he love me

[Wolf]

I am so happy to hear that you and Zeus are getting along so well, just take your time with him and go at his pace and you will be able to work through anything.

[Mecnun]

For you Wolf , You give me courage . and of course pajarita . and other guys . thank you so much ...


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[Wolf]

Thank you for the pictures, the lighting must be off as they were all kind of blue, but what the hey, I can't get the colors right either with these new digital cameras.
I saw your hand in one picture with Zeus on a stick above his cage, any way his eye was pinned. Not a big deal but wanted you to take note of this as Usually when a Senegal pins their eyes, they are in a mood to bite. sometimes it just means that they are interested in something, but it is a good indicator because even when it means that they are just intent on something else if you break their focus the tend to get irritated and bite first, think about it later.
I am working on tearing up my existing floor and installing a new one. Yesterday, I could not get Kiki, my Senegal to stay off of me. So I spent the entire day ripping out old flooring and putting down new flooring, Sawing and banging with this little bird hanging on between my shoulders at the base of my neck. That wasn't so bad, although I was concerned for her safety, but every few minutes she would reach up and smack me at the base of the neck trying to tell me that this was not a good thing and to leave it alone and just let her nap on my shoulder, which is where she went anytime that I stopped for a minute. I wish that there was a way to have gotten some pictures for you to see , but I was working alone.
Just thought that you might be interested in just how loyal, devoted and fearless these birds really are.

[Pajarita]

I don't think that this is the same food he uses, Wolf. At least, the ingredients don't seem to be the same as the one I found with the same name and picture on the label but who knows...

And, yes, senegals are stubborn little things, aren't they? I had to laugh at the picture you painted of working with her on your back - I had one that I called my 'brooch bird' because she would grab the neck of my top right under my chin and hang on there no matter what I did come hell or high water -LOL-

[Wolf]

I don't think that this is the same food he uses, Wolf. At least, the ingredients don't seem to be the same as the one I found with the same name and picture on the label but who knows...

And, yes, senegals are stubborn little things, aren't they? I had to laugh at the picture you painted of working with her on your back - I had one that I called my 'brooch bird' because she would grab the neck of my top right under my chin and hang on there no matter what I did come hell or high water -LOL-

When I went to the Northern Parrot website I got the same thing that you got and it was also called the same thing as mecnun showed. When I went to the Vitakraft website they did not have this product al all but this bag had the same picture and no other food that they produced had anything similar.
What I suspect is that they are marketing different food overseas than in the US, or they are marketing the same feed as in the US but label it different overseas. Northern Parrot is in Great Britain, I think, as the currency was different. Vitakraft is based in Ohio.