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Re: Agapornis fischeri - mutation?

Postby Thorno » Mon Jul 27, 2015 9:15 am

What usually people do when someone wants to breed Lovebirds and he has doubts or he asks for something:

1) PEOPLE TALK ABOUT CONCRET THINGS like the quality of birds (Example 1: You got nice birds, go ahead! Example 2: Nice birds! But don't do that, you shouldn't breed with two lutinos! Example 3: Don't do that! One of your birds isn't pure, she got signs of Agapornis personata and signs of Agapornis ficheri. Buy good birds!).

2) Concerning phenotype outcomes, their answers are based in probabilities and sometimes THEY EXPLAIN that AND/OR THEY RECOMMEND to check possibilities in some web calulatores (Example 1: http://www.gencalc.com. Example 2: http://www.cosasagapornis.com/calgye/index.php?lang=en).

3) THEY give recommendations about one hundred of things that could HELP HIM/HER TO GET SUCCEED. Those recommendations could be concerning the food, the solar exposition, the deworming, vitamins, the syze and the type of cages, the type of nests, moisture in the nest, age of birds, etc.

4) They talk a lot about their experience. But OFTEN THEY SPEAK BASED IN PROFESSIONAL CREATORES IS TIPS (Example: Dirk Van den Abeele, http://www.ornitho-genetics.info).

Basically, people do not say "Stop everything!" or/and do not make judgments before trying to help and before trying to understand the whole context.

In resume, after all of that, I think you are able to realize that I'm not trying to breed birds without any informations (and I'm open to learn much more), without time, without preparation and without a plan.
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Re: Agapornis fischeri - mutation?

Postby Wolf » Mon Jul 27, 2015 9:23 am

I don't have either the knowledge or the experience to help you in this endeavor.
Pajarita is not judging you, she is expressing here aversion to the breeding of captive parrots, although she probably has the knowledge. She is not concerned with you or your plans except for how it will/ would impact the birds and their welfare.
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Re: Agapornis fischeri - mutation?

Postby Pajarita » Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:14 am

I did answer your question. I told you that if these two birds were not split, they would produce green babies. Does the possibility exist that they would produce a mutation? Of course! That's exactly how we ended up with entire mutation lines and what 'mutation' implies.

As to what people usually say when somebody says they want to breed parrots for human pets... well, that depends on how the person feels about the subject, doesn't it? Me? I love birds and don't want to see any of them (mine, yours or any birds out there) suffer - and all parrots suffer when they live in captivity. Do I have the knowledge? Yes, most likely I do. But I don't think that parrots do well as pets in human homes so I don't share it. And this is no reflection on you, mind you! I happen to think that my birds don't do well in my house, either!

But I will tell you one thing about breeding birds: learning from the internet is not enough. You can read and read and read and watch a million Youtube videos and you would still not have enough experience. Why? Because, for one thing, when you don't know anything about a subject, anybody can say whatever they want and make you think they know what they are talking about when, in reality, they don't (and there is A LOT of that on the net when it comes to birds!). But, most importantly, because this is the kind of thing that you need to have hands-on experience. Anything that deals with life and death situations does (and that's why doctors and vets need to practice under experienced doctors and vets BEFORE they go out on their own even though they studied for years and years). And, when it comes to baby birds (and birds in general), your window to act appropriately and effectively when something happens is VERY VERY VERY small so, unless you have the knowledge and experience to act immediately and exactly right, the bird will be out of luck.
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