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Amazon Info??

Postby wordpainter7 » Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:02 pm

Hey guys, I'm new and this is my first post.
So after considerable research, I decided I wanted an Amazon as my first large bird (I already have a GCC :gcc: ) and I think I'm going to get a Lilac Crown Amazon. They're not a "hot 3", they're a bit saller, a bit more docile (for an Amazon) from what I've heard. Is this true? Also, obviously I wouldn't go in to this without knowing what I'm talking about, bu there's no teacher like experience, so if any owners out there have any "gee whiz" experiences or stories to share, any big no-nos most books/websites dont tell you, stuff like that. Also any cage, playstand, and travel carrier brand suggestions would be appreciated. This goes for all Amazon owners or anyone whose worked with these birds, too. Thanks in advance!

****Also, yes, I am fourteen, but I really don't want a lecture on this. I know exactly what I'm in for. I'd go so far as to say I'm not the average teen. I volunteer at a zoo where I actually give lectures on the parrots there for visitors. I've been lucky enough to meet behavior specialists, zookeepers, and other experts. I also do work at a parrot sanctuary near my hometown. Parrots are my PASSION, and I'm really tired of having to prove I'm capable to everyone I meet.****
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Re: Amazon Info??

Postby liz » Tue Sep 27, 2011 9:32 am

Welcome.

:amazon: Rambo and :amazon2: Myrtle are a real hand full.

I am not concerned about your age or your ability to care for an Amazon. The only concern I have is that you are so young and have so much future ahead of you. Your life is going to make many changes.

Amazons are long lived. I have the concern of what will happen to my kids when I am gone. I have left mine in my will to my son. Though he cannot keep them, I am secure that he would find the best home for them. I am also hoping that when my time comes that someone in the forum who knows their personalities already will step up and adopt them.

By your posting, I am sure you are capable of caring for them now.
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Re: Amazon Info??

Postby cml » Tue Sep 27, 2011 11:19 am

We havnt had our white-fronted amason for long, about 7 weeks now, and he is still very young. But I can tell you of our experience with him.

He is a very intelligent, social and adoring bird, but as Liz says, he can be a handful. He can be a bit moody and a little nippy when he's in that mood (he doesnt bite down hard but still). I think that as with any other parrot its important that they learn boundaries and are positively reinforced to correct behaviour. Whether you do this through trick training or regular socializing, its a very important thing to do.

With that said, there is a lot of negative and undeserved "facts" about these adorable creatures on the internet. I have talked to many breeders, and owners of amazons and while they are individuals, they are not as bad as the picture many non-amason owners tend to paint on websites, forums etc.

Stitch is young and its hard to say how he will develop but we hope to keep him on the track we have him now. He doesnt scream very often, and is always quiet in the morning and night (something that most amasons are reported not to be). He is also very intelligent and has picked up tricks very fast. He can be handled without any problems and loves to interact with me and my wife.

As liz said, they are long lived so you got to be sure you are committed to the life change he will bring, but other than that I think knowledge and responsibility is a much larger factor than age when it comes to being able to keep a parrot.

Good luck!
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Re: Amazon Info??

Postby Zanizaila » Tue Sep 27, 2011 4:01 pm

Even if you're very responsible and knowledgeable for a teen, it is still worth rethinking.
I should know, I got myself a cockatoo (Eleonora or medium sulphur-crested) when I was fifteen. Parrots are my life too, my passion (I'm twenty years old now and I've had them since I was eleven), but still, I don't have my cockatoo anymore.

Life happens, in short. So even if you are smarter, more responsible and know much more about parrots than almost any other teen out there, you are still so young that - well, before the age of 18-20, our brains are not fully developed and before that, we are simply not fully capable of making wise, mature decisions.

I didn't think I was an average teen either (and maybe, I wasn't), but in that aspect, I was no different. And now I'm just going to copy an old post I wrote somewhere else, when a teen wanted a large macaw.

"My issue with teenagers getting large parrots is not that you wouldn't be able to care for it - heck, I know a guy who got an Umbrella Cockatoo when he was only nine years old and had her until she died eight years later. And when he was ten, he took in a severely abused U2 who was scared of literally *everything*. One year later, that bird was a surprisingly well-adjusted cockatoo, considering the one who brought him back to living was a ten year old boy who only had one year experience with his other U2, a young chick.

But then he was an extremely special child/teenager, not many adults even with some bird experience would be able to do that. The problem when young people, especially teenagers get large parrots, are mainly that - life will change.
Of course life will always change unpredictably, no matter if you're fifteen or fifty. But when you're very young, not only will you go to school for several years, you may want to date, sooner or later get married, perhaps have kids, go through jobs, apartment-living, and all of that while you have a (or two, since they are flock animals and should be two - I'm looking for partners for my birds as we speak, yes) huge, flying feathered toddler with a megaphone and can opener attached to its face. And just think of all the space the cage (or rather - aviary) will take up in your home, not to mention any climbing trees or bird gyms.

The most common reasons people get rid of their birds, as far as I know, are (in no specific order) #1 new job, "I don't have time", #2 new child "I don't have time and the baby can't sleep because the bird is screaming for attention", #3 allergy (a future child could very well get allergic), #4 screaming (I've already brought that up), and #5 biting. Macaws have huge, dangerous beaks and a jealous bird with pliers attached to its head is no fun thing for a little child.
So the bird will have to move, no matter how much the owner loves the bird.

And the other reason teenagers shouldn't get large parrots, is that in that age, no matter how much more mature you are than your friends or classmates, you are not as mature as you will be in a few years time. Our brains are not fully developed until we are about twenty years old, and before that, your "decision making-skills" are seldom very good. I should know, I got a cockatoo when I was fifteen (with four years of bird experience), and when I read about the screaming, the biting, the unpredictable temper, everything that cockatoos are - I thought "Well, I can do it." Could I? Hell no!
Looking back now, I don't know what I was thinking. When I was fifteen, I truly thought I would be able to handle a screaming, biting hormonal male cockatoo. Do I think so today, several years later? No.

Now, as for smaller parrots, such as mini macaws. They still make noise, they still bite, they still need a huge cage, they still needs lots of attention, but, and this is a big but...
#1 Their voices are not as loud as those of large macaws.
#2 Their beaks, and thus their pressure powers, are not nearly as huge as those of large macaws.
#3 They are not as big as the large macaws (naturally ) and thus don't need a cage that takes up half the living room.
#4 They are much easier to keep in pairs and thus, you can have two in the same cage that entertain each other and don't need to cling to you all the time. (They still need attention from you, but they don't need you 24/7.)
And this does make them easier to live with, especially while young with lots of lifestyle changes.

My Meyers parrot is not a mini macaw, but she is a smaller parrot. I've had her since I was twelve years old, with no problems. The decision to get a large parrot (in my case an Eleonora cockatoo) as a teenager though, was a disaster."
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Re: Amazon Info??

Postby Cage Cleaner » Tue Sep 27, 2011 5:19 pm

Zanizaila wrote:Even if you're very responsible and knowledgeable for a teen, it is still worth rethinking.
I should know, I got myself a cockatoo (Eleonora or medium sulphur-crested) when I was fifteen. Parrots are my life too, my passion (I'm twenty years old now and I've had them since I was eleven), but still, I don't have my cockatoo anymore.

Life happens, in short. So even if you are smarter, more responsible and know much more about parrots than almost any other teen out there, you are still so young that - well, before the age of 18-20, our brains are not fully developed and before that, we are simply not fully capable of making wise, mature decisions.

I didn't think I was an average teen either (and maybe, I wasn't), but in that aspect, I was no different. And now I'm just going to copy an old post I wrote somewhere else, when a teen wanted a large macaw.

"My issue with teenagers getting large parrots is not that you wouldn't be able to care for it - heck, I know a guy who got an Umbrella Cockatoo when he was only nine years old and had her until she died eight years later. And when he was ten, he took in a severely abused U2 who was scared of literally *everything*. One year later, that bird was a surprisingly well-adjusted cockatoo, considering the one who brought him back to living was a ten year old boy who only had one year experience with his other U2, a young chick.

But then he was an extremely special child/teenager, not many adults even with some bird experience would be able to do that. The problem when young people, especially teenagers get large parrots, are mainly that - life will change.
Of course life will always change unpredictably, no matter if you're fifteen or fifty. But when you're very young, not only will you go to school for several years, you may want to date, sooner or later get married, perhaps have kids, go through jobs, apartment-living, and all of that while you have a (or two, since they are flock animals and should be two - I'm looking for partners for my birds as we speak, yes) huge, flying feathered toddler with a megaphone and can opener attached to its face. And just think of all the space the cage (or rather - aviary) will take up in your home, not to mention any climbing trees or bird gyms.

The most common reasons people get rid of their birds, as far as I know, are (in no specific order) #1 new job, "I don't have time", #2 new child "I don't have time and the baby can't sleep because the bird is screaming for attention", #3 allergy (a future child could very well get allergic), #4 screaming (I've already brought that up), and #5 biting. Macaws have huge, dangerous beaks and a jealous bird with pliers attached to its head is no fun thing for a little child.
So the bird will have to move, no matter how much the owner loves the bird.

And the other reason teenagers shouldn't get large parrots, is that in that age, no matter how much more mature you are than your friends or classmates, you are not as mature as you will be in a few years time. Our brains are not fully developed until we are about twenty years old, and before that, your "decision making-skills" are seldom very good. I should know, I got a cockatoo when I was fifteen (with four years of bird experience), and when I read about the screaming, the biting, the unpredictable temper, everything that cockatoos are - I thought "Well, I can do it." Could I? Hell no!
Looking back now, I don't know what I was thinking. When I was fifteen, I truly thought I would be able to handle a screaming, biting hormonal male cockatoo. Do I think so today, several years later? No.

Now, as for smaller parrots, such as mini macaws. They still make noise, they still bite, they still need a huge cage, they still needs lots of attention, but, and this is a big but...
#1 Their voices are not as loud as those of large macaws.
#2 Their beaks, and thus their pressure powers, are not nearly as huge as those of large macaws.
#3 They are not as big as the large macaws (naturally ) and thus don't need a cage that takes up half the living room.
#4 They are much easier to keep in pairs and thus, you can have two in the same cage that entertain each other and don't need to cling to you all the time. (They still need attention from you, but they don't need you 24/7.)
And this does make them easier to live with, especially while young with lots of lifestyle changes.

My Meyers parrot is not a mini macaw, but she is a smaller parrot. I've had her since I was twelve years old, with no problems. The decision to get a large parrot (in my case an Eleonora cockatoo) as a teenager though, was a disaster."


Awesome post. Unfortunately I am a young adult with two birds, heh.
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Re: Amazon Info??

Postby liz » Tue Sep 27, 2011 5:35 pm

Wordpainter - please re read my post.

You have school, boyfriends, college, boyfriends, work, marriage and the ultimate future is children.

:amazon: Rambo came from a woman who loved him and cared for him like a child. After being married 11 years she got pregnant with her first baby. She was going to sell her feathered child to make room for the new baby. I took him.

Life changes fast and yours has just begun.
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Re: Amazon Info??

Postby wordpainter7 » Tue Sep 27, 2011 7:39 pm

Thanks everybody. I have no wish to argue with anybody, but I probably should have clarified my circumstances. I really didn't want to share this online, so this is all I'm going to say here: 1. I'm not going to get married (and ergo have kids) I know you're not going to believe me, but my parents marriage is unhappy and I know many friends who had parents go thorough bitter divorces. It's ugly and anyways I don't want a family when I'm older. Basically, I know I'll still have life changes but I think I'm exempt from the big ones. Believe me, I wouldn't have even considered this otherwise. 2.As far as the logistics of owning a large parrot go, money is not an issue and besides a cage, I also have a spare room that could be completley devoted to him/her.

Sorry this sounds argumentitve, but is there anything else why I shouldn't get an Amazon?
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Re: Amazon Info??

Postby liz » Tue Sep 27, 2011 8:23 pm

If you re read my posts - I have been behind you. I was bringing up issues for you to consider.

I hope you and your Amazon baby bond as tight as I am with mine.

Others have come into the forumbefore you. When they recieved constructive chritisim they never returned. We have already put you through it so please stay with us.
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Re: Amazon Info??

Postby purplepit » Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:02 am

All the points people have brought up are very important to consider.

That being said I got my African grey at the age of 15. Before collage, boyfriends, marriage, children etc. I'm now 23 married and have moved and changed jobs several times and I'm pregnant with my second child. And you know where that same grey is now? About 10 feet away from me happily splitting open an almond.

Some times you won't be able to fit huge climbing trees, spend 3 hours a day with it or afford expensive bird toys but thats life. That's when you dig deep and get creative.

BTW I really like white front amazons too. Very sweet and they really don't take up too much room. They do still chew through toys like they are paper though lol
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Re: Amazon Info??

Postby liz » Wed Sep 28, 2011 12:16 pm

They also chew through everything else.

It is wonderful to hear from you that you have been able to keep it together. The truth is that you are having your third baby. LOL

Please keep us informed and we would love to hear stories.
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