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Starting with Breeding

Postby Anneke » Sun Nov 06, 2011 4:15 pm

Ok, I think this is in the wrong place, but oh well. :)

So, I'm thinking of breeding with either 'tiels or budgies. I've got someone I can go and talk to if I decide to go with budgies, but which do you think is best for a first time breeder? Cocketiel/ Budgie?
Also, here in New Zealand, it's a bit cold in winter, and in summer the ave. degree is about 25 C. Therefore, is it best to go with cocketiels? Do they have a better immune system?
If I get about 6-8 birds of the kind I choose, mixed gender, will this be enough choice for them to choose a mate?
Oh, and is it best to get babies, so they grow up together, or should I get adult birds?
Thanks!
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Re: Starting with Breeding

Postby liz » Sun Nov 06, 2011 5:17 pm

LOL. You want to breed them and I search for homes for the babies mine produce in the spring.
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Re: Starting with Breeding

Postby Anneke » Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:58 am

Haha, sorry I'm afraid I can't help you out this time. :D We're a bit far apart, although I probably would have bought some of your babies if I could since I'm sure you're a good breeder and that I would get quality babies from you. :)
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Re: Starting with Breeding

Postby liz » Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:09 am

I am not a breeder and I do not sell. I just have tiels that like to do the wild thing. To contol the population in my house I have to adopt out.

I did not intend to have this many. I had two little girls, Sweetie and Twinkle. A friend told me that her uncle, a breeder, had so many in one cage that some were being picked on. I gave her $20 an told her to get me two of the males being picked on. She brought me two that he said were so wild that I could nevr touch them. Not true. Shadow and Lemone' knew where they had been and were very grateful to be with me.

I had only asked for two males for the preening factor. I thought my girls would accept the boys easier. At that time I didn't realize that they would add any tiel to their flock. They are a happy flock.
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Re: Starting with Breeding

Postby Zanizaila » Mon Nov 07, 2011 10:23 am

Ok, you are only thirteen, so I will try to go a bit soft with you.

First off - why do you want to breed? For your own sake? For the birds sake? (If it's the latter, how is it for their sake? If it's the first one, I think you really need to rethink it.)
Budgies and Cockatiels are very overbred and while I don't live in New Zealand, that's how it is in most of the world (where there are pet birds anyway), so I guess it's the same in NZ. They are horribly overbred in pet stores and by people who just buy a couple of birds and thought it might be cute to let them have offpsring.

So you're not doing the birds a favor at all by breeding them when there are too many already.

If you still want to go through with it, I would say leave bird breeding to those who really know what they are doing - meaning, become one of them if you "have to" do this, don't just breed a litter or two because it might be fun. It's much harder than might one think and you really need to know birds to do it.

The parents, especially the mother, has to go on a special diet long before and during breeding. You need to know what to do if she has any problems with the egg-laying, you need to be prepared that she might die, you need to know what to do if the parents won't feed the young, and then you have to go up and feed the chicks every two hours for weeks and weeks. (Otherwise; please don't hand-feed them, only if their lives are at stake.) Do you have thousands of dollars for vet bills, if anything goes wrong?

The following is not an "accusation" on you, don't take this personally at all, it's just that I have thought a lot the last few years about why people often feel the need to breed their animals. It's like when someone is really interested in a certain type of animal, they feel the need to go from "a simple pet-owner", to the automatic next stage = breeder.
But why is it like that? You can enjoy the animals and become really knowledgeable about them without breeding them, putting more lives into a world which is already overpopulated (with birds as well, yes) and unkind to animals.

So, there are already too many, we don't need any more birds put in cages, the birds won't be happier, and it will just cost you a lot of money, time and probably tears when the birds (mothers or chicks) die, because that's what happens, even if you're careful.
So why do it?
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Re: Starting with Breeding

Postby liz » Mon Nov 07, 2011 11:21 am

If there were no breeders - existing animals would all get loving homes.

I work hard to find homes for my tiels. 2010 my tiels produced one baby. I convinced a friend who owned a farm store that he needed a littl singer to cheer the place up. All the employees and all the customers gave him attention. He never lacked for anything. 2011 my flock produced 2 females. I convinced him that Columbus would be happier if he had a little flock. They are happy, well cared for little birds and I made a good choice.

I am lucky that my flock practices population control. First chick to hatch gets all the attention and the others abandone their nests to take care of it.
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Re: Starting with Breeding

Postby GlassOnion » Mon Nov 07, 2011 11:38 am

Liz, you know that you can discourage breeding by limiting daylight hours in the spring and NOT providing a nest box.

If the hens still lay eggs, you can replace them with fake ones. You don't have to let them have babies when there are already so many Cockatiels filled up in rescues and on Craigslist ads.
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Re: Starting with Breeding

Postby liz » Mon Nov 07, 2011 1:11 pm

GlassOnion wrote:Liz, you know that you can discourage breeding by limiting daylight hours in the spring and NOT providing a nest box.

If the hens still lay eggs, you can replace them with fake ones. You don't have to let them have babies when there are already so many Cockatiels filled up in rescues and on Craigslist ads.



Where can I get the eggs? I know the new families are good to them but I ould prefer these families to adopt from rescues or private owners who don't take care of the tiels.
How long will they sit on their fake eggs? If they have eggs in the nest will my girls continue to lay eggs or does that shut down?
It is worth a try.
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Re: Starting with Breeding

Postby Michael » Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:27 pm

I've heard of people using the same egg by boiling and returning. Also a wooden eggs of proportionate size.
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Re: Starting with Breeding

Postby GlassOnion » Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:15 pm

You can usually order them online: www.mysafebirdstore.com

Or, you can poke a hole in the eggs and stir the insides around. Boiling works too. But most importantly, I would get rid of all nesting boxes, tents, and other comfy areas that resemble a nest.
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