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Can you tell me about the Jardine's?

Postby Arshia » Sat Aug 04, 2012 4:58 pm

A pet store near me (Golden Cockatoo) has recently started breeding Jardine's Parrots. Looking through their descriptions online, I haven't found anything beyond the generic Poicephalus-type description.

Can someone (preferably someone who's had experience with them in the past) tell me as much as they know about them, in terms of:

trainability (are the smart?)
cuddlyness (are they velcro birds?)
loudness (are they just as mild as most other poicephalus are described?)

Also, do they all develop those orange spots?
And a final question, what is the difference between the greater and lesser Jardine's? Does the difference extend beyond size to perhaps temperament, or is it only a size thing? And if it /is/ only a size thing, how much of a size thing is it? A few inches? A few centimeters?

Thanks :D
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Re: Can you tell me about the Jardine's?

Postby Michael » Sat Aug 04, 2012 6:19 pm

The Jardine's is like halfway between a Cape and a Senegal Parrot both in size and temperament. Less territorial/aggressive I'd guess. I think they're more cuddly than a Senegal Parrot and a little more bird to stroke. Yet they don't require huge spaces and aren't as loud as a Cape. I think they are much overlooked and worth considering, however, I think you shouldn't get it from a store cause it is practically guaranteed they will clip and ruin it. More like the Cape, the Jardine's are pretty clumsy and if they fall too much early on in life because of wing clipping, they will develop more phobic problems and possibly plucking.

I'm not too sure of the differences between the lesser and greater but I know I've seen Jardine's that are fairly petite and practically a big Senegal while others were nearly as big as a Cape. I think the Jardine's range from about 180g-280g so it sways which parrot size it runs closer to. Regardless, the Jardine's Parrot is an odd size so don't expect to have any perches, toys, or cages sized for it. Some stuff sold for medium parrots is too big while the small stuff for Senegals can be too small. It's just right there smack in the middle so it's entirely up to the owner to judge items on a case by case basis. I know that Pchela and Jean have Jardine's parrots and might be able to give you a more personal perspective.
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Re: Can you tell me about the Jardine's?

Postby Arshia » Sat Aug 04, 2012 8:05 pm

Most everything I needed to know, thanks so much :D

Michael wrote:I think you shouldn't get it from a store cause it is practically guaranteed they will clip and ruin it. More like the Cape, the Jardine's are pretty clumsy and if they fall too much early on in life because of wing clipping, they will develop more phobic problems and possibly plucking.


Also an excellent point that I'm really glad you brought up - I wasn't paying attention to that at all. I found it funny that you would refer to a once-clipped bird as "ruined" :mrgreen:







I STILL WANT TO KNOW THOUGH:
What is the difference between a greater and lesser Jardine?
Are Jardines cuddly?
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Re: Any information concerning Jardines and Red Bellies?

Postby Karina » Tue Aug 07, 2012 9:47 am

Hi. I am a first time blogger and parrot owner and is trying to decide between a Jardine's and a Red Belly. I live in an apartment thus the biggest deciding factor is noise. I have researched almost every parrot type and have decided to get one of those two. I also looked at Senegals but they have a very loud contact call it seems that may get me kicked out so I want to make the safest possible choice. Is there anyone who has experience with these types of parrot and how would you compare them in terms of 1.cuddliness 2.noise 3.personality?

I will appreciate any info regarding them.
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Re: Can you tell me about the Jardine's?

Postby Michael » Tue Aug 07, 2012 12:47 pm

If you think a Senegal is loud, forget about owning any parrot.
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Re: Can you tell me about the Jardine's?

Postby pchela » Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:06 pm

My Jardine's was considerably louder than my Senegal and my Sennie does have the loud contact scream. The Jardine's is not a bird for beginners - they have a lot of attitude and spunk. So much so that their owners have named it Jattitude. He would randomly fly at somebody's head and scream and attack or chase feet and bit toes hard! Mine was cuddly but only with me. My Senegal is also fairly cuddly, again, only with me. My Red Belly is the quietest of the bunch - he talks and doesn't really scream - he is also the biter of the group. He has sent his previous owner to the hospital after taking off a chunk of his ear and another time, his nose. He also bit my husband down to the bone on his thumb. He does want me to give him scratches all of the time. So in my experience, ranked from most to least,

Biting
Red Belly
Jardine's
Senegal

Loudness
Jardine's
Senegal
Red Belly

Cuddliness (they all love scratches and want to be on me getting them a lot)
Jardine's
Senegal
Red Belly

One person bird syndrome
Red Belly
(the other two are quite social and will go to anybody - in fact, the Red Belly probably would too but we don't trust him enough to hand him to our friends to test the theory)

My Timneh will also go to anybody and is my most cuddly bird. The Jardine's was louder than her though and she has a pretty loud "let me out of my cage" scream.

Personality
Red Belly - reserved, quiet, nervous... kind of like an old man - he shuffles around and doesn't play as much as the others. He takes in everything around him before making any decisions. He has to think about it before he'll step up. He's an excellent talker and speaks in context. He also fear bites and they are really hard bites - he clamps down and won't let go, like a snapping turtle.

Senegal - Stout, outgoing, very social - will fly to new people who come into my apartment to check them out. Loves to sit on my shoulder and rub his head on my cheek. Loves to be talked to. Fairly playful, but more chewing than playing when it comes to toys. Loves to forage. He's a bully to other birds - he's the boss of the house. He is protective of me and will run any other bird off of me. Not a great talker but he says a few words.

Jardine's - energetic and playful. Also social and will step up for anybody. Likes to get on the floor and chase feet. Will bite down hard if he doesn't get his way, for instance, when you put him in his cage, he'd put his beak on your finger and the closer you get to the cage, the harder he bites down. I had to trick him into his cage either with treats or by putting him in behind a perch so he'd step onto it. Loves to roll around with toys and wrap his wings around them - the best player of the bunch with toys. Also, loved to sit on my shoulder at night and just lay his beak on my cheek and leave it there till I'd give him scratches. He's a very sweet bird but also very unpredictable and bitey. A small, green screaming parrot flying at your head to attack is not a pretty sight!

If you need a quiet apartment bird, a green cheek conure is about the quietest I know and even they have a pretty shrill contact call. BTW - I live in an apartment and haven't had any complaints.
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Re: Can you tell me about the Jardine's?

Postby dawnkyung » Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:47 am

I actually had a deposit down on one of the Jardine's Parrots at the Golden Cockatoo. I initially went in there determined to buy a Meyer's parrot, but the Meyers that they had were vicious. The Jardine's were sweet as pie.

The Golden Cockatoo does clip, but I have gotten several birds from them before and been very happy. They take great care of their birds. The only reason we didn't keep the deposit on the Jardine's is because we fell in love with a Yellow-Crowned Amazon that we ended up bringing home instead.
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Re: Can you tell me about the Jardine's?

Postby McKenna » Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:35 pm

I bought a jardine's parrot from the Golden Cockatoo in February 2011 so I think I can help you. Before getting him, I briefly had a conure many years ago and my husband was almost bird-phobic so we were basically newbies.

We loved the personality of our Jardine's ("Buster")-- he turned my bird-phobic husband around 180 degrees. We appreciated his rambunctious playfulness and feisty swagger ("jattitude"). He did bite a bit, but it seemed typical of his species at that age. He was noisy at dusk and dawn, though after having had conures, it didn't seem too bad. We live in a small loft apartment, btw. He was easily social and stepped up onto almost anyone's hand. He adored my husband but wanted scritches from me. While affectionate, I wouldn't call him "cuddly" in the way a cockatoo is but he loved his scritches. He liked just being near or between us while he played on his stand. His independence was nice. He was pretty much the most hilarious animal I've ever seen.

However, he had weak feet, an offset mandible and constantly suffered from opportunistic infections/sinus issues. Our vet (Dr. Goldsmith) tried and tried to successfully treat the various infections but they would come back. I talked to the Golden Cockatoo and they paid to have their doctor, Dr. Backos, look at Buster but he failed to even find the infection my own vet diagnosed, much less the underlying problem. In fact, I found Dr. Backos uncommunicative to the point of catatonia.

Then in March of this year, our vet put a rambunctious Buster under general anesthesia (which he'd been under several times before) for microchipping and beak grooming. Halfway through the procedure, Buster stopped breathing. Our vet scrambled to bring him back for 10 minutes but we ended up losing him, to the stupefication and mortification of our vet. He did a thorough autopsy, and found small bits of galvanized wire like from an old screen door in Buster's gut. Dr. Goldsmith can only conclude that over time, the wires slowly broke down, releasing lead into Buster's system, causing multiple problems. When the general anesthesia hit his sufficiently lead-poisoned system and caused a toxic reaction/heart attack.

I now have the wires from Buster's system and know with certainty that nothing like that has ever been in our small, new apartment. I can't imagine Buster ingested it at the Golden Cockatoo (where he was also boarded once) so we can only conclude that it came from the breeder. When I asked the Golden Cockatoo who the breeder was, simply so I could avoid them in future transactions, they refused to tell me and were surprisingly evasive. They offered me a discount off my next purchase of a bird if I bought THROUGH THAT SAME BREEDER and said they considered the issue closed. I had had a good opinion of them (I didn't blame them for Buster's condition) and was shocked and quite upset by their response.

Only today, a helpful member on this site informed me that Buster's breeder (he had a leg band with KAZ on it) was Birds by Kaz (http://birdsbykaz.com/Birds%20By%20Kaz/ ... LCOME.html)

The one good thing that came out of our heartbreaking experience is that we found that we love Jardine's. Unfortunately, we've been having a hard time finding a baby and I only now put a deposit on the only one Jean Pattison (the African Queen) will probably have this year. Jean may have a Greater Jardine's baby, though. When I asked her about the difference, she said Greater's seemed a little sweeter and milder to her than the Lesser's. I believe all Jardine's breeds have some of that yellow/orange on their heads, though the Greater's seem to have a little less.

Sorry this post is so long. But I know when I was researching birds, detailed posts in forums were extremely helpful. Feel free to send me a personal message if you'd like. I live in Miami, btw.
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Re: Can you tell me about the Jardine's?

Postby pchela » Thu Aug 09, 2012 12:51 am

I'm so sorry you lost your baby. That's terrible and the store you purchased from treated you poorly. Crap like that just makes me so angry. People need to take responsibility or at the very least, take into consideration that they just might have a problem that needs fixing with their housing for their chicks.

As for a new Jardine's, I know Jean Pattison is great but you might also look at Old World Aviaries run by Scott Lewis. 3 of my birds, including the Jardine's, are from him and all are well socialized and very healthy. I've personally been to his nursery and recommend him with confidence. Just letting you know in case Jean doesn't end up with any Jardine's. I have no clue if Scott is expecting any either but it's good to have options.

Oh, another thing to be aware about with Jardine's is that they are more susceptible to Aspergillus than most other parrots and they also need to have extra Vitamin A in their diets. In addition, I've heard of many who have problems with overgrown beaks and have to be taken to the vet to have them drilled and maintained on a regular basis. Just some stuff to be aware of.
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Re: Can you tell me about the Jardine's?

Postby ludite » Wed Jan 15, 2014 4:31 pm

Michael wrote:If you think a Senegal is loud, forget about owning any parrot.

Hi Michael :) I agree with your comment. Is there any symbol on the post/forum, that I can click to indicate I agree with a comment - like they have on face book? I'm rubbish with computers but I am familiar with certain forum sites like fb. :) Thanks.
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