I decided!!! No more waiting! I am getting a Handfed sennie!

[marie83]

No I did not mean fighting as in fighting, I just mean you are trying to turn every response you get around to suit your own desires, you are trying to justify everything you want so that it feels like the right thing to do.
I do understand you have your heart set on a sennie, I have my heart set on alot of things that are not going to happen because the welfare of the animal is my main concern. It makes me unhappy to do so but I know it is the right thing to do. If I couldn't provide more than the minimum requirements I wouldn't have a bird (or any animal) at all as more often than not the minimum is nowhere near good enough.

ok I'll just post something on the Taming you asked for. No I do not consider it to be harder to tame a flighted bird, it is however harder to flood it. otherwise It would logically be easier to properly tame the flighted one since its confidence is better meanign it will be slightly less scared of you to begin with.

100% agree with Polarn here. Every single one of mine have been fliers and most have been pretty wild when I got them. I managed to tame and train all of them although Harlie is still work in progress but she was abused apposed to just neglected.

[Nir]

i mentioned before that i do not feel comfortable getting birds off craigs list since i dont trust their judgements. They might lie to me just to get rid of their bird. Rescues i am all down to check out and i believe i did find 1 rescue which is couple hours away and i emailed them already. if i dont get a response then i will call them this week and check them out. But i am not going to get birds off of craigs list.

That's the lamest excuse I've ever heard. Parrots have different personalities. That's why you met the parrot and see how it interacts with you and its health.

I just don't trust it. Like I said I would prefer getting it from rescues since they are professionals. I just don't trust Craig's list and would rather get a baby instead just like how Michael got his 2 babies along with many others on this site. Let's not make me out to look like the bad guy here.

I actually don't get anything from Craig's list let alone a lifetime companion.

[mrbowlerhat]

i mentioned before that i do not feel comfortable getting birds off craigs list since i dont trust their judgements. They might lie to me just to get rid of their bird. Rescues i am all down to check out and i believe i did find 1 rescue which is couple hours away and i emailed them already. if i dont get a response then i will call them this week and check them out. But i am not going to get birds off of craigs list.

That's the lamest excuse I've ever heard. Parrots have different personalities. That's why you met the parrot and see how it interacts with you and its health.

I just don't trust it. Like I said I would prefer getting it from rescues since they are professionals. I just don't trust Craig's list and would rather get a baby instead just like how Michael got his 2 babies along with many others on this site. Let's not make me out to look like the bad guy here.

I actually don't get anything from Craig's list let alone a lifetime companion.

...But you do know you can, like, talk to the owners, and like, visit the parrot, right?
I got my Alaska from a very lovely family who sold her on a kind of craigslist-ish site because they couldn't keep her anymore. She was loved and healthy and she's pretty much the happiest and most social little girl.
And I mean, I personally think it's usually very obvious when people are trying to lie or when they aren't serious.
You can talk to them. Ask them about the bird. A lot of questions. If they sound serious, you could visit the bird.
I really don't see the problem, actually.

I think, if a person REALLY wanted to get rid of a bird, they wouldn't lie about it and try to sell it on craigslist. That can't end well for the person selling the bird, right?

Also, I would DEFINITELY prefer getting an adult parrot, especially if it were to be my first ^_^ So yeah, if you really insist on not giving craigslist a chance (which I don't get), you should go for a rescue. In my opinion.

[Nir]

I live in NYC. Try to look for some rescues near NYC. I found 1 that's closest (two hours) which I emailed. And another rescue which didn't work out. While at it find me a rehome from Craigslist. I haven't found any close enough. Where did you get your rescue from?

[pionus]

hi there. just a quick little question, Nir. why are you telling people to look things up for you?

and also, i must defend you. NOT ALL BREEDERS ARE BAD. i got my budgie from a breeder, and she was great! (the breeder i mean. kink-o was marvelous too! ) yeah she clipped wings. yeah i kept clipping them. i was an idiot. anyway, something for you guys on this topic giving Nir a hard time about baby birds, and how he should rescue, all birds in captivity need good homes. really, how can you say that we shouldn't buy from breeders, pet stores ect. just so they don't get encouraged, even if the birds are in need of homes? i even read a post (a couple, actually) telling someone that they shouldn't have payed for a bird being abused by some lady because it would just encourage her. would you have rather the bird died?? i know that if i saw a bird being abused, i wouldn't leave it to the human to neglect further, even if it meant the person got payed.

hmm, that wasn't very quick, was it? time flies when your ranting...

[mrbowlerhat]

I live in NYC. Try to look for some rescues near NYC. I found 1 that's closest (two hours) which I emailed. And another rescue which didn't work out. While at it find me a rehome from Craigslist. I haven't found any close enough. Where did you get your rescue from?

We don't have any rescues here in Sweden, but I found my Alaska on a Swedish craigslist-ish site. I had looked around for something that felt right for a while, and then I found Alaska, e-mailed with the owner, and they thought I sounded great and I thought Alaska sounded great, too, haha ^_^

I looked around on craigslist for you now, but I couldn't seem to find anything you'd be interested in, but I suggest you look around there now and then, and meanwhile you can also look for potential rescues near you. When I started looking for a bird, I kept my options open and I e-mailed a lot of people and looked around everywhere, and I admit I actually wasn't that species-specific, but eventually I found something that worked out for everyone.

Google around a little, try to find a few rescues in your area, contact them, check craigslist now and then to see if there's something new and interesting out there, and if there is - e-mail them! Ask everything you come to think of! It might take a while before you find something at all, and I don't think you should go for the first thing you find IF it doesn't feel just right.
^_^


(Fun story, I actually found the ad-thingy for Alaska around 2-3AM, and I read it through and thought 'THAT SOUNDS GREAT, I have to e-mail them but what if they think I'm weird for e-mailing 3AM?', and then I ended up sending an e-mail anyway. And I don't regret that AT ALL. I got an answer the next morning and I kept e-mailing with them and then we decided on a date and I went and got my little birdie. )

[Grey_Moon]

I personally think that if getting the 'right' companion is of utmost importance to you and you absolutely won't use kijiji, ebay, craiglist or your local classifieds, then for gods sakes drive the 5 hours---you'll do it what? maybe three times? Try petfinder.

If someone else jumped off a bridge would you follow?
I don't care how many or whom in particular got a baby parrot from a breeder. Its wrong.
People make mistakes, and many who bought baby birds had no idea at the time that is was wrong.
YOU aren't the blissful naive person---you know.
So, that makes what you are doing wrong---because you're doing something unethical in spite of the fact that you know better.

I will argue with any breeder no matter how 'good' that they are wrong and should be stopped.

You walk into a store, go to a breeder and YOU are condemning another bird like mine to a life of suffering. You are responsible for the babies/birds who are cruelly force-weaned, abused, neglected, abandoned and tortured. All the birds locked in closets or who live in darkness 24/7 or who make it through another day in overflowing rescues abandoned by the person they loved...they end up there because of people who buy baby birds and who support breeders.

Parrots are not pets. They suffer in captivity and will never have the freedom to be what they are made to be. Instead they live out their lives as emotional, intelligent and sentient beings kept as slaves for our emotional amusement---they may be treated well and loved---but the fact is they are still kept as slaves. If we did what we did with parrots with the equivalent human children we so often quote with pride that they're as smart as----we would be called cruel, abusive and they would be called our slaves.

End of story.

I apologize for my anger, but my baby girl suffered, and it makes me sick to think that more will suffer like her. Especially in the name of laziness, entitlement and paranoia.

[terri]

Hello Im going to post another thought [and everyone can beat me up ].My first bird was Max our African congo grey,we are his 4th home [poor guy].I new nothing about birds .Max bit me good many times [I thought if I kept trying since I was the one who cared for him.] Well it made me scared to death of him [even though I learned to love him dearly].I wanted a bird I could handle.I remember trying to hold a parrolet and being scared [Max had me that freaked out].I read about every bird there was trying to make the best decision.In the end I chose Greta my Blk capped caique.She was a just weaned baby and she didnt intimidate me.What Greta did for me was amazing I grew with her and all her changes.I developed the confidence to get whatever other bird I wanted.I have no problem giving medicine,doing nails,I gave Harlow shots and had to submerse my Galah in medicated water for awhile.What Im getting at is everyone has a different route but this was mine.If I had a rescue like some do here I would have been able to learn about birds that way.But there was none close to me.Building your confidence is the key to doing this right .I take the approach go ahead bite me if you have to [and they dont] I think Polern does this too.Read OF PARROTS AND PEOPLE[would somebody read this already] and you will understand that we all need to do our part with rescues and craigslist for future birds.NOT KIDDING

[Nir]

hi there. just a quick little question, Nir. why are you telling people to look things up for you?

and also, i must defend you. NOT ALL BREEDERS ARE BAD. i got my budgie from a breeder, and she was great! (the breeder i mean. kink-o was marvelous too! ) yeah she clipped wings. yeah i kept clipping them. i was an idiot. anyway, something for you guys on this topic giving Nir a hard time about baby birds, and how he should rescue, all birds in captivity need good homes. really, how can you say that we shouldn't buy from breeders, pet stores ect. just so they don't get encouraged, even if the birds are in need of homes? i even read a post (a couple, actually) telling someone that they shouldn't have payed for a bird being abused by some lady because it would just encourage her. would you have rather the bird died?? i know that if i saw a bird being abused, i wouldn't leave it to the human to neglect further, even if it meant the person got payed.

hmm, that wasn't very quick, was it? time flies when your ranting...

Well I am not fond of people calling me a liAr assuming I did not try. That's why I am asked. Perhaps they can find me an option I was not able to.

Thanks for the words though. Right now it's true that I might be leaning for a baby because of a combination of things. This should not result in me being called a liar and unethical.

[Michael]

Nir, you're being really selfish right now. You don't seem to care about the (potential) bird's safety, health, wellbeing, risk for your budgie, and impact on your relationship. When you said, "If i cant have him flighted so be it. This is ultimately my decision and i will make decisions as i go forward. It will roughly take him a year (just a guess) for his wings to grow back and by that time i will reevaluate if i want him flighted or not depending on how he is doing in my apartment. If he is flying fine and isnt bothered then i will keep him flighted. if not then i will have him trimmed." It was very clear that you are putting your personal rush to get it right now ahead of a sustainable long term living arrangement. This is quite ridiculous in the long term scheme of things. If the bird lives 30 years, in retrospect getting it a few years earlier but in a unsuitable household will be a highly regrettable mistake. The way it impacts the bird's development and relationship with you will be forever impacted. Also the very close proximity with budgie can ultimately lead to massive harm.

I fully understand that there is a human component to getting a pet and that it brings a certain satisfaction to the owner. However, it is completely unfair to the animal to be bought into a unsuitable household and physically altered to fit it better. If you don't have the space to keep a bird, then don't keep a bird. It works out for your budgie, great. But it is extremely selfish and unfair to the animal to go forth without solving the issues just because you want to.

I knew next to nothing about parrots when I got Kili and clipping was all I knew. It wasn't even that I chose a clipped parrot but it was more like I wasn't even offered an alternative. It was completely unknown to me. In retrospect I greatly regret it and Kili permanently carries a reminder of the horror of clipping by having a gap where feathers should have grown back on her wing but never did. So I use what I've learned and discovered to share with others so that they don't make the same mistakes.

I really hate it when people try to consult me about an issue with their parrot and the only answer that comes to mind is "well you shouldn't have bought one to begin with, there's nothing else I can tell you." It doesn't help them or the parrot but many times the problems owners encounter specifically relate to that they were not in the circumstance/environment to do that in the first place and NOTHING I or anyone can advise will fix that. I hope you can take people's advice and have the sense not to make that sort of mistake and then have problems later on that may not be solvable (which usually lands a bird in rescue instead).