I decided!!! No more waiting! I am getting a Handfed sennie!

[Nir]

Thing is i do search here and there on craig list EVEN THOUGH i dont want to get it of craigs list. But i found none. And rescues are just very far. Thus why i am leaning more just to get it from a breeder or bird store. Heck at least that way i can have couple to choose from so the babies chooses me instead. I am just .

I will repeat again to grey moon or anyone who is criticizing about not trying hard enough to go ahead and try to find a rehome of of craigs list or whatever you can find. Go ahead and try. And no i am not going to drive 5-6 hours for only a possibility. Trust me , as a person, i would like to think that i am very ethical in most things and i try to be as much as i can but this seriously is getting out of hand. In my opinion, not donating a % of your yearly income or not doing any sort of community work is unethical. But shoving that on someones face trying to force him to do it is just hypocritical when so many people themselves didnt do it.

Michael really? I am being selfish? You yourself had a senegal and then ended up getting duke the budgie right? You had kili which you didnt do enough research for apparently but then still ended up getting another baby in truman from another breeder anyway knowing that is probably unethical to support breeders a second time. Thats being majorly hypocritical. Stop twisting my words as well. You should know by me meeting and talking to me that being selfish is not what i am. even though i told you to come to my place and check out my apt, i have a strong feeling that my place will be just fine for my sennie. I obviously dont believe in clipping and only reason i said i might clip him is if everything didnt go the way i wanted and the sennie was at risk for any damage because of the smaller place. But idly i will be looking for a bigger place when my lease runs out. Although i like you showing me the worst case scenarios its seriously depressing that thats the only side you can ever post about. You should have a better judgement of character especially since we met. Did i come of as a evil irresponsible person in real life?

My budgie is very important and i already showed my plan of how i will make sure he will never be hurt. It just wont happen. I will give them separate cage times and will always be in the watch in case they ever fly to the others cage. I shouldn't have to keep repeating this. I shouldnt have to explain myself this much and frankly i am done with that. I am not just someone who did a little bit of research. I talked to many people from this forum and 5 others. I have gotten the dose of worst case scenerios everywhere and i am as prepared as i can be and i know i will be able to do this and keep both my birds happy. This thread wasnt suposed to be a negative thread. But thats how it turned out for the 50th time. I think i am just going to end this thread as is.

besides my ranting, all the threads on this site and others were very helpful. Michael and especially ginger did show me a lot of sides that i might not have thought of and they were very helpful. And also thanks to the people who pm'ed me with encouraging words. for now i will just take a break from all of this and just make a decision when its time.

[Michael]

I don't think you are a bad person but I do think you are being too hasty about this and making excuses for things you know aren't right. When I got Duke, first of all I had no idea that there could develop problems between the birds and second of all when it did arise, I solved it by taking them out separately. I realize that I made a lot of mistakes early on, which were predominantly based on lack of information or faulty information. However, now with what I have learned I can do my best now and share this with others so that they wouldn't make these mistakes. I was just lucky in that it turned out my living arrangements were already suitable for flighted parrots but this wasn't pre-determined as such and it really should be.

Although not friends, Truman gets by with Kili. He is big enough that he can cope with the bullying. A smaller bird would just get hurt. The problem with your setup when it comes to this is that you just don't have the space or rooms to be able to divide them properly if necessary. There is no fallback option. I wouldn't have recommended for Ginger to get in contact with you about an adoption if I didn't think you had good intentions. However, it later turned out that your space just isn't big enough, this was unknown beforehand. Now where I am really disappointed now is that after you were told this and it was extensively explained to you (and not just in relation to the adoption Senegal but to parrots of this size in general) that it just isn't enough space, that you say you'd rather still get the bird and clip rather than either do the mature thing and not get it or wait till you upgrade your housing. Before you seemed to indicate that you are willing to wait and won't make an uneducated decision. But now with the awareness of the factors involved you seem eager to just do it even if it goes against rational sense.

[Grey_Moon]

Nir,

You're being selfish, unethical and cruel. Not to mention a bit of an entitled brat.
Your set-up is NOT appropriate to have two birds, let alone a flighted bird.
But you don't care.

You'll mutilate them and keep them in too small a space, you'll put your budgie at risk and you will condone the abuse by-proxy that comes with buying baby birds.
Why?

Because *pout* its my bird and my pet *pout* and I can do what I want *pout* because I'm the human and I can have living creatures as my playthings *pout* and I wanna bird now!!

You *CANNOT* say 'well other people do it/have done it so I can do it too!'. Seriously?
Other people didn't know better at the time. Other people also regret what they did and try very hard to never let themselves and others do what they did in the past.

If you can't make the five hour drive how for the life of you are you going to make the sacrifices and dedication for the decades to come?

The better question is who is going to get the short end of the stick? Ie less of your attention, less space to roam, less shared breakfasts and showers and outings? I bet its the budgie.
That's not fair.

Michael gets away with it because Kili is civil enough and Truman is big enough to withstand what she does dish out.
You don't see him actively going out and saying that his is the optimal wonderful scenario though.

I say again as I have always thought, if you wouldn't bring a child (or second child) into your life and environment right now---then wait and don't bring home a parrot.

[Nir]

Kind of killed yourself with the bringing in a baby point since my place is suitable and I definitely would. Even if my place was not 2 floors I still would just because there are other more important factors. You make a lot of assumptions grey without even seeing my place or meeting me which I said has big rooms and a 2 floor tall ceiling with good space to fly. If your going to have an opinion, try to have one that's your own.

Michael can you close this thread for me. This thread has turned pretty nasty for no reason. I was going to take a whole video of my place but I realize that I have tried to prove myself enough to everyone and I am done doing that. The nasty words without the hard facts are pretty immature. I hope you and everyone is doing good things not just with birds but with life. Again Michael please close this thread. This is the last time I am posting. As for bird I will have to wait regardless but that decision I will make when it's time.

[Michael]

This is a free forum, I don't close threads. I don't think anyone is intentionally being nasty or trying to offend. It's just that you don't accept anything people are saying so they are frustrated and it's showing in their posts.

The 2 floor high ceilings are not a flight advantage. The birds don't fly that way. The point about your room size is that it is not enough space for the bird to do laps or sustainable flight so it is nearly as bad off as being clipped. It's like a large cage but still a cage when it comes to being able to fly. The only difference is that it can hop off its tree and flap to get to your shoulder, its cage, or over to kill the budgie. But it still can't get proper exercise which is one of the goals when keeping a parrot flighted.

[truste]

I dont want to get involved in the argumentative side of this thread (ie: the whole thread) except to say that I doubt he's the first one getting a bird without having the perfect setup. He's probably already going to be a better owner than most people out there. By "most people out there", I don't mean the people on these forums. I mean the people who buy a bird and don't care enough to ever go on a forum or do their research, and I bet there's a LOT of them out there. Whatever the conditions of his apartment, I think the fact that he cares enough to ask around will give that bird a good chance at having a great life.

Anyway, Nir, if you're still reading here and still want a senegal, try petbabybirds.com. They're in Queens and I got my GCC unclipped from them (I later clipped her because I didn't want her to fly off during the initial bonding/taming process and hadn't read all the arguments against clipping yet, although she didn't become aggressive after the clipping).

Good luck, whichever way you decide.

ETA: Actually, they don't update their site regularly, but I checked their listings elsewhere and I don't think they have sennies available right now. Sorry for the mislead! You probably know this already, but there're a lot of breeders out there willing to ship (for a price), so you're not limited to the NY area.