Really need help with building trust

[Guy.G.]

Hey everyone,
Chief my Indian RingNeck is 3 months old and he already knows some tricks like- "target" "wave" "turn around" and "recall"..
the problem I'm having with him is that he doesn't let me turn him on his back(and I tried Michael's method and 1 more that I encountered on YouTube)
when I try to hold him around his neck he immediately start's biting me/ when I try to lean him back into my palm- I really don't know what to do because it seems that he trusts me but not when it comes to this…I really want to be able to lay him on his back and it's not because of the trick but more so that he'll know that he can trust me completely..
pls guy's- really need some help

BTY- this is a short clip of him doing the tricks he knows.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Y6NMTrhF1o

[marie83]

I wouldn't like to be held round my neck either tbh. I taught ollie to accept my hand over his back, then a slight grip, then a picking up grip, rewarding each time it was done without fuss. Then I lifted him slightly, literally a cm from what he was stood on then (be careful to pin the wings down to the body to avoid hurting him) put him straight down and rewarded a few times, then I lifted him a bit higher, reward, put him down.
Then slowly I started stretching the length of time and height, once he was happy to be picked up in that way I then started working on flipping him over, bit further every few times. He will happily lie in my hand with no restraint now.
Never go faster than your birds happy with, go back a stage or two if he isn't comfortable with something. Time and patience will win him over.

Just noticed he is a ringneck so much bigger than Ollie is, you may need to modify my suggestions to fit in with his size. Maybe use two hands on his back and lean him into your body gradually or something.

[Guy.G.]

There's no way I'll do it in a way that could hurt him – u can c the method in this link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiIslvclSDg
Like u said, your way is good for small parrots and IRN's aren't small so..I'll need to think of a way that would b comfortable for him, if anyone here had the same problem and managed to overcome it- I could really use your help!

[marie83]

I never said you hurt him did i? I just believe there are better, more comfortable ways than holding a bird round its neck thats all, regardless of the birds size.....

[Guy.G.]

hhh so was I but when I started researching about this method I found out that parrots feel very comfortable being held that way so I decided to try this way first..
I know u haven't said a thing about me hurting him, I just wanted to say that I would never do something that could potentially harm/scare him that's all

[cml]

I dont grab stitch around the neck when holding him on his back, I just place my around him, gently grab him, turn him over, and release pressure. Then he just lies there in my hand. Dont grab your parrot around the chest, and dont keep any pressure around his body, as birds breathe with their whole body, this is also the reason why most people reccomend grabbing around the neck, its better as you dont risk suffocating the bird.

[marie83]

I decided to ask my tutors about this at college today and all 5 of them doesnt recommend the neck method. Then again the UK doesn't support check chains with dogs as much as the US and are trying to get them banned. A gentle hand/s will not restrict breathing but will be sufficient for restraint purposes even with larger birds or panicking bird so long as the wings are held down there is no risk of harm.

I'll agree to disagree

[cml]

I decided to ask my tutors about this at college today and all 5 of them doesnt recommend the neck method. Then again the UK doesn't support check chains with dogs as much as the US and are trying to get them banned. A gentle hand/s will not restrict breathing but will be sufficient for restraint purposes even with larger birds or panicking bird so long as the wings are held down there is no risk of harm.

I'll agree to disagree

I dont use the neck method either, I just gently turn him over, so I guess I agree with you ^^.
But I think the breathing is the reason most people do reccomend it, even if its unnecessary according to your tutors.

[Guy.G.]

I'm from Israel so when it comes to training I just read and watch popular parrot training sites from abroad and then try to apply it with Chief so most of the info I get is from YouTube, articles and forums..
I decided to take it real slow and try teaching it to him like so:
I put him on my chest and Pet (when my hand is covering his body and wings and his grabbing my shirt) him so he'll be relaxed and then I just bend down..I gotta say that it works..3-4 more sessions like this and then I'll try doing the exact same thing but instead of grabbing my shirt I'd let him grab on my finger and after I'll bend down I'll slowly move him farther from my shirt..

I think it's a good method because I'm holding him in a cradle position which is comfortable for him and I'll know when his cool with this "trick" because if he would feel any discomfort- he'll grab on my shirt with his beak/climb to my shoulder