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Bird doesn't trust me, HELP

Postby aquagreen » Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:49 am

Hi everyone. So, I have a 3-yr-old senegal parrot who I've always had a good relationship with...nothing but trust. She even gets separation anxiety when she can't be with me and recently started feather mutilating. In my desperation to explore every facet of the potential issue, I decided to start bathing her. Well, she has never liked water, but my vet gave me some shampoo and told me to use cotton balls. She didn't love it, but I was able to do this three times with a week or so gap each time. Well, the last time I went to do it she flew away from me and I made the mistake of following her (NOT AGGRESSIVELY, I have to stress that). Well, she took off flying again and somehow managed to hurt her wing...as in, there was a spot of blood, but nothing broken. I couldn't catch her...I kept approaching her slowly, speaking gently, trying to coax her, but she was literally panting in fear and trying to hide from me. I wanted to just get her back into her cage before she got hurt worse. I had to get my husband to help me put her away.

It has been almost a week since that incident and the weird thing is that my bird has since then taken a bath in her water dish. She has done that probably twice in the last month and a half, so she must have realized bathing felt sort of good, but she HATES me now! I didn't even do anything and it feels like her trust is broken with me forever. I'm so upset. She won't even peep if she knows I'm around and screams if I open the side door of her cage to feed her (but seems pretty much okay with my husband). I think she believes that because she got hurt in the course of all that happened that I am responsible for injuring her.

Is my relationship with my bird over forever??? I feel like I have a parrot who now believes I abused her. :( I'd sooner cut my own arm off!
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Re: Bird doesn't trust me, HELP

Postby aquagreen » Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:53 am

btw I want to clarify that even though I said she has had separation anxiety issues with me, I spend a LOT of time with her (never out of her sight if I am not at work, and always interacting with her). So this has nothing to do with her resenting me for not being around--the correlation between the bathing issue and her new distrust is quite obvious to me. We never had a single trust issue before this and she has never bitten me.
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Re: Bird doesn't trust me, HELP

Postby Pajarita » Fri Aug 16, 2013 2:41 pm

Yes, she lost her trust in you because you were trying to force something she did not want and, when she flew away, you went after her. I know that you were trying to avoid her getting hurt but she did not see it that way, she saw you as a predator. For future reference, when a bird flies away from you in fear, never go after it. Keep it within your sight but don't look straight at it, do it out of the corner of your eye. Once you see the bird has calmed down (chest is not heaving, beak is closed, the bird stops looking at you and starts preening or playing or whatever) it's when you make your move but not walking straight up to it. Go about it in a roundabout way, carry a treat in your hand and, if there is a song you always sing to it, do it. It's always good to have a song that you sing everyday when things are normal. It becomes like the crickets in the forest or the monkeys chattering in the jungle, it tells them that everything is OK and calms them down when they have a fright.

As to what to do now... mostly nothing until she makes a move. Go about your routine as usual only don't ask her for anything. Open her cage at the same time you do it every day but don't ask her to step up, just let her come out on her own. Talk, sing, dance, offer her treats, etc but don't try to touch her unless she makes the first step. She will be fine and you will get your relationship back but you have to be patient and allow her to realize that things are back to normal and that you won't do anything she doesn't like.

PS. I don't know anybody who has had any success with those shampoos.
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Re: Bird doesn't trust me, HELP

Postby Michael » Fri Aug 16, 2013 2:47 pm

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Re: Bird doesn't trust me, HELP

Postby aquagreen » Fri Aug 16, 2013 3:42 pm

Pajarita: Sad thing is, I instinctively know and understand all that, especially because I worked in a vet's office for a long time. However, I think sometimes when it's your own pet and you have such a good relationship you think that they will understand you and your motivations, and at the end of the day of course that isn't true, because they are an animal and they only know how to perceive things directly...i.e., through what they experience, not what they hypothesize. So it was very very stupid on my part.

I am concerned about opening the cage door now because if she doesn't decide to go back in on her own, I have no means of getting her there; I have to wait until my husband is around. However, I appreciate your advice and I'm going to work hard at getting our relationship back. For now I'm talking to her a lot and approaching the cage without making a move to open it, and of course putting treats through the bars of her cage into her dish. I am determined never to bathe her again.

Michael: Thank you for the links, the first one especially. It's comforting to know you had a similar experience with Kili. I'm going to try to start slowly introducing some of the techniques listed in those links to gain her trust back, once I can approach her again somewhat without it being viewed as an immediate threat. I know she needs a lot more structure and training.
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Re: Bird doesn't trust me, HELP

Postby Pajarita » Sat Aug 17, 2013 12:17 pm

If you don't free-feed her protein food (pellets, seeds), it's actually very easy to get them to go back into the cage on their own. All you have to do is let them out in the evening when the sun is half-way down and, when it's approaching the horizon, put the protein food in the cage and they go in like magic (can't resist that protein -LOL)
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Re: Bird doesn't trust me, HELP

Postby aquagreen » Tue Aug 20, 2013 8:11 pm

Update: well, today through the bars she let me pet her head and then she stepped up on my finger of her own accord. I thought we were making progress, but then tonight she was sitting on her cage door and I went near her. I made the mistake of raising my hands to push my hair back and she freaked out and flew away. She flew back to the top of her cage, I went the other way and left her alone, and after a while she went in the cage. I went over and shut the door and then when I went to cover her she freaked out again (screaming and everything) because I had raised my hands.

I don't know what to do. It was one baby step forward and ten steps back. Living with an animal who now hates me is killing me, because I love her so much.
Part of me feels like if this keeps up I'll have to re-home her, and the other part of me would sooner die and knows no one can do better by her than I have done. I just don't get what her problem is and why she seems not to be able to remember how much I've taken care of her. (I know this is stupid, but love isn't rational.)

I feel like if I bring her to the vet at this point and explain what's gone down he's going to look at me like I'm an awful owner and must have done something to her for her to react to me like this. I'm beyond frustrated. If I have to give her up I will never own another animal.
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Re: Bird doesn't trust me, HELP

Postby marie83 » Tue Aug 20, 2013 9:43 pm

Don't you dare give up. You will get there eventually. It just takes time and effort. viewtopic.php?f=11&t=9596&hilit=harlies+story
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Re: Bird doesn't trust me, HELP

Postby Pajarita » Wed Aug 21, 2013 3:52 pm

My dear, birds never get better on a steady curve, it's a jagged thing at best and you need to measure improvement over a long period of time. For example, I took in a 17 year old lesser sulfur too which had lived his entire life in a cage adequate for a cockatiel (as a matter of fact, I am using it for my blind tiel and her VERY old mate who can't fly any longer) and which had not come out more than an hour, if at all, a day for the last two years. The bird was scared of everything when he first came and, although now he lives cage-free in the birdroom and is eating great, he is a sad, sad boy. As I had no other cockatoo he could bond with and I could tell he wasn't going to bond with me, I decided to start looking for a companion for him. And here comes Freddy whose mother was undergoing cancer treatment, the father had a heart attack and, because they couldn't work in their own business, they lost their house so they had to look for a new home for Freddy. Freddy is the typical cockatoo (he is an Eleanora) with his dance moves, his sassy talk, his friendliness and his legs all plucked and his pterodactyl screams that can go on for hours.

I immediately put him on a strict schedule, a better diet (he was getting High Potency pellets as his every day meal), good lights, etc. He comes out 2 hours in the early morning and about 4 or 5 from 12 or 1 to 4 or 5 in the afternoon. At 7 pm, he gets his dinner while it's getting dark and at 8 or 8:30 pm (depends on how bright the day is), he gets covered for the night. As he got used to his schedule, he very slowly stopped screaming so much and we were making very gradual and very good progress but we had a TERRIBLE day yesterday. He screamed and screamed and screamed all day long. Did I worry? Not at all. It's normal.

Same thing with Zachary, the scaredy one. I simply ignored him and went about my business in the birdroom. At the beginning, I kept his cage closed to see how he reacted to the other birds and so the other birds could get used to him without having real 'access' to him. When I saw that my other birds were fine, I opened his door but it took him two weeks to come out on his own. He then moved from his cage to a stand next to a window but he used to hide under the tray whenever I would come in. Now, he perches on the top tier of the stand and not only does not hide or run away when I put the food and water in front of him, the other day, he came down and grabbed and shook the hem of my skirt playfully while I was changing the papers on the tray.

Give it time. Watch your movements around her. Keep your hands down or behind your back. Don't look at her directly, always do it out of the corner of your eye. Never approach her cage directly, always go a bit around and slowly before you get to her cage. Sit on the floor close to the cage and just read or watch TV from there. And keep on talking to her in a singsong and soft tone of voice. I usually sing two songs while I am working in the birdroom, one of them is a very short one I sing in Spanish that goes Cuuuuuckoooo, cuuuuuuckooooo sings the cuckoo (my grandson learned to sing cuuuckooo to the birds before he learned to talk). I call this my 'cricket' song -you know how, in the forest, when everything is OK, you can hear the crickets but, if you don't, you know something happened somewhere near? Well, this is why I sing the same song over and over when everything is OK - because, when something happens that scares them (like when I have to go into the birdroom to adjust a heater or something like that and it's already dark), I sing it very softly and everybody immediately calms down. It's like a pavlovian reaction.

She will calm down, you just need to put a bit more time and a bit more work into it. That's all.
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Re: Bird doesn't trust me, HELP

Postby aquagreen » Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:54 am

Update: Thank you for the stories and for sticking with me. My bird still will not come out and sit with me, but my husband has been able to take her out of her cage as long as he stays close to it and pet her and stuff, and she loves that as long as he doesn't stray far from the cage, so at least she's getting some interaction. We've noticed she's still going through a pretty heavy molt, her first one in a long time. So maybe that is contributing to all of this. Otherwise she seems healthy.

She still gets nervous around me but I spend time every day standing outside her cage, talking sweetly to her, singing her songs. She gets fluffy now and blinks at me and sometimes bobs her head as if she would regurgitate for me, so at least she's getting comfortable. Today I stuck my fingers through the bar and touched her perch and though she occasionally looked at my finger she retained her "fluffiness" (sign of her being relaxed, not ill) and didn't go all big-eyed on me. Progress is being made.

Pajarita -- a question on good lighting...I bought my bird a UV bulb some time back but I think I put it too close to her cage :( and she developed a freckle under her eye. That made me nervous and I moved the light way away from her cage but I'm nervous to turn it back on. What should I do differently, do you think?

Thanks again for all the help. I think we'll get there eventually. Updates may be few and far between since I'm working a lot but I wanted to at least check in and say that I haven't / am not going to give up.
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