Buying a new African Grey, with previous sun conures

[GreenWing]

Well said, Wolf.

Lol I would never "dump" a parrot I bought lol. I'm buying it for thousands of dollars so why would I not love it. African greys are the most amazing parrots and I have always wanted one. I couldn't care less if it doesn't talk I was just wondering of my conures would affect it's ability of it does. Everyone in this forum just jumps to conclusions.

Nobody is jumping to conclusions, 'just giving their two cents in a post you created. Think of it more so as a warning. Also keep in mind that we are parrot lovers and we have seen people treat parrots badly and purchase them for the wrong reasons (some of us more than others... even I have seen how dumb some people are with parrots, this does not in any way imply YOU, but it's a fact that many people buy parrots for the wrong reasons). You've already stated you'll love the bird regardless of its talking ability, so that's great. Just be aware that African Greys tend to be phobic, need a lot of attention, and are definitely "dusty" birds. You will need an air purifier, lots of toys, a good and healthy diet for the bird, and be able to provide hours of attention daily.

From experience: Greys are indeed phenomenal. That said, my own Grey is demanding ("step up, NOW!"), and is incredibly intelligent in that she speaks SENTENCES ("Please get up, feed this bird") and is very sensitive. She is not hardy at all. Greys are like old maids in that they like the status quo of a living situation. They like quiet, they don't like change, they like to the be focus of your attention.

[Pajarita]

And I know your gonna end up reporting me but I counlent care less, your only doing it cause you know it's true lol, no body on this boards appreciates your annoying and rude comments

Why would I bother reporting you? Your lack of breeding is punishment enough because you will have to live with it for the rest of your life.

As to 'no body on this boards appreciates your annoying and rude comments', you do realize that you can't really speak for other people, do you? But, then, maybe not...

Let me tell you something I've learned by posting on birdboards for many years: Only people who will never be good to birds take exception to my replies. And paying thousands of dollars have NOTHING to do with love for the birds! Nothing, zilch, nada! Love and money do not go hand in hand.

[cml]

Let me tell you something I've learned by posting on birdboards for many years: Only people who will never be good to birds take exception to my replies.

That sentence alone is as bad as Hamzah's posts, very rude and condescending.

[GreenWing]

Um...

Let's just do a group hug, everyone...

[Pajarita]

Let me tell you something I've learned by posting on birdboards for many years: Only people who will never be good to birds take exception to my replies.

That sentence alone is as bad as Hamzah's posts, very rude and condescending.

Not condescending although a bit rude. But, I can assure you that's entirely true. It's what experience has shown me over and over and over throughout the years. And this guy is no exception. I just figured out who he is, he is the Canadian guy that set up a pair of conures to breed without acquiring any previous knowledge about it with the result that the parent birds allowed their chick to starve to death, a clear indication that something was very wrong with his husbandry. Then, not bothering to find out what he had done wrong and, apparently not even taking responsibility for the tragedy, he set them up again with exactly the same result. He then asks a question that anybody who has minimum knowledge about parrots would know cannot be answered and which indicates a very shallow regard for he birds and, when he is told that there are people who would give up a perfectly good parrot because it doesn't talk, offers what he must think is an irrefutable argument of his devotion for it: prize! Needless to say, it just proves exactly the opposite because if one went by this, a person would love a Hyacinth the best and a budgie almost not at all.

I hope you don't agree with him or even try to defend his position, CML...

[cml]

Let me tell you something I've learned by posting on birdboards for many years: Only people who will never be good to birds take exception to my replies.

That sentence alone is as bad as Hamzah's posts, very rude and condescending.

Not condescending although a bit rude. But, I can assure you that's entirely true. It's what experience has shown me over and over and over throughout the years. And this guy is no exception. I just figured out who he is, he is the Canadian guy that set up a pair of conures to breed without acquiring any previous knowledge about it with the result that the parent birds allowed their chick to starve to death, a clear indication that something was very wrong with his husbandry. Then, not bothering to find out
what he had done wrong and, apparently not even taking responsibility for the tragedy, he set them up again with exactly the same result. He then asks a question that anybody who has minimum knowledge about parrots would know cannot be answered and which indicates a very shallow regard for he birds and, when he is told that there are people who would give up a perfectly good parrot because it doesn't talk, offers what he must think is an irrefutable argument of his devotion for it: prize! Needless to say, it just proves exactly the opposite because if one went by this, a person would love a Hyacinth the best and a budgie almost not at all.

I hope you don't agree with him or even try to defend his position, CML...

Of course I dont agree with him! I am on your side here .

What rubbed me the wrong way was that you said that people not doing things according to your posts cant do good by their parrots. I disagree, and believe that while you always want the best for your parrots, I dont think your ways are necessarily always the best.

All the best,
CML

[Pajarita]

No, that's not what I said. What I said was that people that take exception to my replies never do well by their birds. You might not agree or even take my advice, that's everybody's prerogative and I have no problem with it but, when you post a question because you have a problem (like this guy did), you are given an answer and you get insulted by it because all you read in it is that it implies in one way or another that you might have done something wrong or not done something right without even considering whether this is so or not, it means that you are not taking responsibility for the problem. And, when it comes to pet birds, EVERYTHING is always our responsibility for the simple reason that we control absolutely everything. And that makes you a person who will never do right by his/her birds. Why? Because caring properly for birds is VERY hard and completely foreign to us and, if you are not ready to accept responsibility and improve your husbandry, your birds are doomed.

I have answered postings from lots of people in different sites and the ones that always come back offended and saying that they did everything right, always end up been bad bird people. ALWAYS! We all make mistakes when it comes to birds. We all miss things. It's unavoidable. The only thing a good bird person needs to be is a bird lover with a humble and open mind. Knowledge can be acquired.

There was this lady who posted on several sites. She loved, loved, loved her caique. Posted pictures of her left and right, of her cage, of her toys, etc. The bird started plucking when she was four years old and then self-mutilating and every time she posted about it and people answered giving advice, her reply was always the same: she loved her bird and did EVERYTHING right and how dare you imply any different?! She also kept on referring to her self-mutilating episodes as 'psychotic' as if the whole thing was a neurological disease and not a behavioral problem. This was a medically healthy, young, non-aggressive bird. She could have rehomed her (I would have taken her) but her arrogance and inability to accept responsibility for the bird's problem caused her to choose euthanasia. And this is just one example of many...

[Wolf]

Only to attempt to clarify a term "psychotic ". The term psychotic while is a medical condition does not imply either behavioral or neurological as the causation can be either or as in many cases both. Nor does the term imply that the condition can or can not heal partially or wholly.

That is all I wanted to offer. Thank you.

[cml]

Fair enough.

I view parrot ownership as an never ending learning experience, anything else wouldnt work. Be it behavioral theory, training or parrot proofing, I learn new stuff if not daily then at least weekly.

The day that you consider yourself fully learned is a sad day and will lead to nothing but stagnation
and missed opportunities - I believe that applies to most things in life.

[Wolf]

Fair enough.

I view parrot ownership as an never ending learning experience, anything else wouldnt work. Be it behavioral theory, training or parrot proofing, I learn new stuff if not daily then at least weekly.

The day that you consider yourself fully learned is a sad day and will lead to nothing but stagnation
and missed opportunities - I believe that applies to most things in life.

Agree with this for sure.