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christophe changed in a bad way :/

Postby Msaad » Sat May 31, 2014 8:00 am

christophe is living with me since 1 year, and he still didn't accept the fact of going up on my hand or any other trick, but he was friendly and didn't bite any of my family members unless he was annoyed or angry. 2 days ago, I had a hair cut, and since than he is crazy, he is bitting me and his poop at first turned brown but it went back to the normal colour, but he's still crazy, I need help with him, he is refusing anything to be trained or to go back to the normal condition :/
Hakuna matata!
"Timon & pumba"
Msaad
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Re: christophe changed in a bad way :/

Postby Pajarita » Sat May 31, 2014 9:16 am

How old is he now? What light/out of cage/interaction/flight schedule and diet is he on?
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Re: christophe changed in a bad way :/

Postby Msaad » Sat Jun 07, 2014 8:57 am

he wake up everyday between 6:30 and 7 am, and sleep at 9:30 10 pm. He doesn't have a schedule for anything, he get food everyday at the morning, and snacks whenever we give him, I have a brother who has a phobia of birds so he doesn't go out everyday. need help asap plz
Hakuna matata!
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Msaad
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Re: christophe changed in a bad way :/

Postby Wolf » Sat Jun 07, 2014 10:25 am

Firstly, your bird needs to have a meal in the morning and a meal in the evening and a little to nibble on for the remainder of the day. Whit this in mind let's see if we can help you with your feeding schedule and your birds diet. What is it that you are giving and when? By the way where do you live? It may help us with recommendations.
Next, your profile says that you have an African Grey, is this correct? Do you know the bird's age? Are you certain that you have a male? Again these things will be helpful in assessing your birds behavior and our recommendations on how to approach any difficulties that you may have.
I am sorry that your brother has a phobia concerning birds, and I understand that this will make it more difficult for you to give your bird the things that it needs to be both happy and healthy, but you have the bird and it is your responsibility to find a way to provide for your bird friend the things it needs. You may have to be creative in how you do it ,but you accepted this when you got your friend and now he is counting on you.
Your bird needs to have at least 2 hours each day to interact with you on a one on one basis and it needs to have at least 3 to 4 hours every day outside of its cage. This is a bare minimum provided that you spend another couple of hours just hanging out with him while he is in his cage.
Greys are very sensitive birds and they bond very deeply to their human and usually don't want much to do with anyone else. Although they aren't actually a cuddle type of bird, their favorite perch is usually on your arm or shoulder. Mine does like time to explore a bit about the house, but with your brothers problem it could easily just be in your room or in another room that is bird safe where he can't get lost, hurt or escape. They really do not handle very much change easily, but they do need the physical and mental stimulation because they are extremely intelligent. The more time that you can spend talking to and interacting with him the more he will trust you and the less aggressive he will be towards you. If you spend enough time with him you may be able to reduce the time that he spends outside of his cage and still be happy but I would not recommend this because it is not good for him physically. Just like all of the rest of us he does need to exercise to remain healthy.
I hope that you find this helpful.
Wolf
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Re: christophe changed in a bad way :/

Postby Msaad » Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:31 pm

Actually its not that I only offer food at the morning, no I put this food in the cage, and it stay with him till the next day, I live in beirut lebanon, i really love my parrot, he is 2 years old now, and I'm not sure if its a male or female. when I take him out of his cage its in the living room. he spend all his day in his cage at the balcony and the afternoon in the living room. the only food he eats is peanuts and sunflower seeds. when I offered him other food he didn't like them. I tried all kinds of training with him, but he kept refusing them. he used to be owned by my friend and he trained him but in the lebanese/arab way wich is making him hungry for 2/3 days than offer him food on his hand so he stand up on his hand to eat. I hate that way because its cruel :/
Hakuna matata!
"Timon & pumba"
Msaad
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Re: christophe changed in a bad way :/

Postby Wolf » Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:50 pm

I agree with you that it is cruel and I would not do it either. The thing with parrots is that they are rather suspicious of anything new to them especially in the food department but your diet will kill your parrot in time due to liver failure as it is way too high in fats. To get him to change his diet you are going to have to be patient as well as persistent with him. Start with giving him new foods in the morning when he will be the most hungry. I don't normally recommend pellets but you need to change him to a more healthy diet as quickly as possible so is you can get Tops pellets I would start with those in the morning some fresh fruit and vegetable for the remainder of the morning and about a tablespoon or two in the evening. I would not mix the pellets with the seed as he will pick the seed first and not eat the rest. I would start eating foods that you want him to eat while I was sitting with him so he can see me eating them and then I would make a big show about how good the foods are and then offer him some very small pieces until he starts to eat them.
It may take quite some time to get him to eat better. Some of us have been working with some of our birds for months to get them on better diets. It is usually an ongoing process. Pajarita will probably pick up on this and give you much better advice than I can, but this is a start.
Wolf
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Re: christophe changed in a bad way :/

Postby Pajarita » Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:57 pm

OH MY GOD! Starving a bird is a terribly cruel thing to do! And it has lasting consequences, too, especially with grays which are so smart and put two and two together! I won't say another word about this because, if I do, I know that I will regret it.

What you have, my dear, is a case of the 'terrible twos' (when they become adult and leave their parents to go look for a mate -only, in captivity, they can't do it and take it out on their owner because he/she is the one preventing them from it) made much worse by the fact that the bird eats a terrible, terrible diet (he'll die if you don't find the way of feeding him fruits, vegetables and greens) and that he is very lonely. Grays are not only very intelligent, they are also highly social birds which NEED to bond with another being. He doesn't have anybody, he is in a jail all day long, eating bad food. You need to change EVERYTHING around in his life before you can even begin to get him to love you because, in his poor shape, he is not really receptive to any type of training.
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Re: christophe changed in a bad way :/

Postby Wolf » Sat Jun 07, 2014 1:40 pm

If I may make a few more suggestions, I will be happy to try to help you with your bird. Greys are very special birds to me. I also have a Grey parrot, she is a 14 yr. old female who was mistreated before she came to me and she also had a poor diet.
I would like you to start changing her diet as I described to you already and we can start on the taming and bonding procedures. Since he is entering puberty you will experience a bit more difficulty in making progress but then you will only have to do it once if you do it right. I have no idea what your schedule is but you need to find time to work with your bird. Let's say 15 to 20 minutes two or three times each day. The only thing that I want you to do is to talk to your bird just as you would to any other person, only keeping your voice calm and soft. The more time that you can give to this the better the progress you will have. For now that is all you need to do other than also giving him the time as in my last reply and to change his diet.
We can do this right here on the forum so that others can contribute or we can use the PM function to do this, which ever way you prefer. I prefer it to be on the forum as it may help others as well. You tell me and I will do my best to make things better for your bird and you, with your help, of course.
Wolf
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Flight: Yes

Re: christophe changed in a bad way :/

Postby Msaad » Sun Jun 08, 2014 5:09 am

I want to add a thing, here in lebanon, the only food for parrots is those 2 mentioned earlier. christophe eats whatever I eat near him, he eats fruits and vegetables if I offer them. he feels lonely a lot bcz I'm always at uni and my parents are at work, but we all lovr him even my brother who give him snacks (bcz he is in the cage). I'm gonna start him a new diet, I'll see what I can find. talking to him is something that I do daily, but I'll give it more time. and I prefer on the forum two because we may get more advices.
Hakuna matata!
"Timon & pumba"
Msaad
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Gender: This parrot forum member is male
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Re: christophe changed in a bad way :/

Postby Wolf » Sun Jun 08, 2014 8:18 am

There are many alternatives to what is considered parrot food, especially since he can eat most of the same foods that you do. You could cook him a small batch of white beans, lentils, barley, brown rice, corn, carrots, sweet potatoes, green peas and pasta. You could add in some variety by adding in a different fruit and fresh veggie each day. Never feed him uncooked beans or avocado as these are toxic to him. You could get some multivitamin from the vet to add to his water daily to insure that he gets enough of all of the vitamins that he needs. Save the sunflower seeds and the peanuts for treats.
I am glad that you are spending time talking to him, he really needs that. How much time do you think you spend talking with him daily? Also does he have any toys to play with for when he is alone? I know that Greys don't always play much with toys as they really prefer their human, but it still helps some. My Grey have a small assortment of foraging toys, a couple of bells, but her most favorite thing is to tear up newspaper. She makes a real mess with the paper, but it is worth it to me when I see how much she likes it.
It sounds like Christophe already approaches you when you come to his cage. And he does take treats from your hand, right? Have you tried any target training with him, yet? Does he step up on your hand at all?
I am sorry for all of the questions, it is just that I am trying to get a picture in my head of where Christophe is and what is happening in his life that will affect him and your relationship with him. If I don't ask then I end up assuming things which may or may not be accurate. If you think that I am doing that or am wrong on anything, please correct me. I say this as, like you, I only want the best for your friend and never mean to be disrespectful of you or your efforts.
Wolf
Macaw
 
Gender: This parrot forum member is male
Posts: 8679
Location: Lansing, NC
Number of Birds Owned: 6
Types of Birds Owned: Senegal
African Grey (CAG)
Yellow Naped Amazon
2Celestial Parrotlet
Budgie
Flight: Yes

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