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christophe is making me go crazy.

Postby Msaad » Wed Jul 09, 2014 8:19 am

suddenly, he start screaming with no reason. just screaming. if he is at the balcony or the living room he screams if we leave him alone for to long, even if he can see us and we come and stand by him he screams. same idea for food, while eating, suddenly he start shoving his food out of the cage, I changed 5 kinds of food, he arrives to a point where he starts shoving them out of the cage. plz help!!! it become crazy
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Re: christophe is making me go crazy.

Postby Wolf » Wed Jul 09, 2014 8:30 am

how much time are you spending with him out of his cage and with you? If he is screaming then he has a reason for it, even if you don't know what it is. Being where he can see you is not the same as spending time with you. Also if he is two yrs. old then he is going through puberty and becoming an adult. This is a very stressful time for him and you need to take time for him. This is what I am thinking based on your post. Any additional information about his normal day that you can give would help a lot in figuring out what is happening,
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Re: christophe is making me go crazy.

Postby Pajarita » Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:39 am

I think this is still a baby or a very young juvenile bird, Wolf - and they will scream if they are scared (balconies are no good for young birds that should feel safe at all times), lonely (like Wolf said, seeing you is not enough, he needs to be on you) or eating by itself (babies need to eat with their 'parents'). He needs to be with people many hours of the day (and that means out of the cage and on your shoulder), routines (always the same thing at always the same time), entertainment (young birds need to explore and learn about themselves and their environment) and they need to eat in company (you need to eat with him his foods - putting food in the cage is not a 'flock activity')
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Re: christophe is making me go crazy.

Postby Msaad » Thu Jul 10, 2014 1:32 pm

wolf I can't spend more than 1h per day talking to him, because i have university, anw sometimes I open his cage and take a nap near him, he stays quiet, but can't keep him like that, I thought that he is bored so I gave him back his mirror toy, he is still fighting with it. he broke 2-3 chains that he used to play with, anw about the screaming I can always handle it. my bigger problem is with hia food, he always and I'm talking more than 2-3 times a day he shove his food out if the cage, I tried 4 different food mixture, he do the same. and about his age he is 2.5 years old, and he is still scared from my body (hands, shoulder) so he doesn't step up.
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Re: christophe is making me go crazy.

Postby Harpmaker » Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:05 pm

I hate to say it Msaad, but if he is afraid of you to the point where he won't step up, the only thing that will reliably work is to go all the way back to basic taming. Go into the room where he is and stop approaching him when he appears to be uncomfortable. Talk to him in a soothing tone for 10-15 minutes without getting closer. Do this 3-4 times/day, and he will hopefully be comfortable with you closer every day-maybe even every session. When you get to the cage offer him treats. If he won't take them by the time you are done talking, leave them and try again later. When he takes treats from your hand, put your hand in the cage with the treat. When he starts coming to your hand to get the treat, offer it from a point that requires him to climb on your other hand to get it. By this time the screaming should be starting to slack off on its own. When he is comfortable stepping onto your hand for a treat, you can go on to the next phase.

You might be able to make improvements in the one hour per day you have available.

If you had previously had him stepping up, and he has stopped stepping up and just screams and pushes food out now, the most likely reason for the change is illness, and that needs to be treated right away. Parrots try to hide illness, and if Christophe is sick enough to cause this behavior change, he may be very ill indeed. Find the best bird-treating vet you can, and get him there asap.
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Re: christophe is making me go crazy.

Postby Msaad » Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:17 pm

he isn't afraid from me, he eats from my hand, when he is out of the cage I can play with him, touching him isn't a problem, he love being touch on the head and neck while in or out of the cage . the problem is steping on my hand while he is out of the cage. my real problem is shoving the food, its like saying I don't like it, change them for me.
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Re: christophe is making me go crazy.

Postby Msaad » Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:18 pm

and here in lebanon there is no vet specialist in birds, just dogs and cats, birds are just a part of the studies
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Re: christophe is making me go crazy.

Postby Wolf » Thu Jul 10, 2014 8:31 pm

Given the schedule you have stated the reason that he doesn't want to step up for you when he is out of his cage is quite simply that he knows that you are going to put him back in the cage. Resume offering him the first blend that he was eating and if you feel that it must be changed, then only change one item at a time until he will eat that item . Then change the next and so on. Do you have someone that Christophe likes that can help you by spending some time with him?
One hour per day is no where near enough time for a Grey. My Grey would spend every minute of every day with me if she could. Once a Grey bonds to you they want you to be with them at all times. If you can't give him at least two hours of one on one time in contact with you and at least another two hours of free time for him to just explore, play, fly or just hang out with you, each day then you need to find someone to help you to give him this minimum amount of time and attention or his throwing his food out is going to be the smallest of the problems that you will have to deal with. Greys require a lot of personal time and the lack of it is at the bottom of all of your present problems with him. This is the way that I see it.
Find a way for him to get the time that he requires and deserves and watch his behavior change for the better.
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Re: christophe is making me go crazy.

Postby Pajarita » Fri Jul 11, 2014 11:37 am

Wolf is correct. Parrots need A LOT of time. Take into consideration that this is an undomesticated species with IDENTICAL needs to the wild ones and that the wild parrots spend all their lives surrounded by their family so one hour a day is not anywhere near enough for a parrot. It's as if you spent one hour a day with a baby and the rest of the day the baby is by himself -not good, not good at all. One hour is fine for a cat, a ferret and a guinea pig but not a parrot. He must be lonely and depressed, the poor thing, so I suggest you look for a solution fast or you might end up with a bird that doesn't only scream all the time but also plucks (unhappy greys are famous for it).

Also, he is not throwing his food out because he doesn't like it, this is an instinctual behavior part of his ecological niche (they feed ground species that cannot climb or fly and disperse seeds this way). Everybody who has parrots has the same problem, it's part of living with them (as it's poop all over the place -LOL).
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