AGGRESSIVE SENEGAL HELP?

[NathanDesnoyers]

So i have an incredibly beautiful 1.5 yr old senegal parrot just got him feom a previous owner less than a week ago.
The problem im having with him is he tricks me lol.
Hes become somewhat comfortable with me the last few days.
He will come out and fly onmy head , takes treats with from my hands.
BUT HE BITES! and when i say bite i mean he tears my skin apart and then jumps to freah skin besides and chunks of skin are removed.
And he will come onto my finger on the "upup" command ive veen working on, but as soon as hes perched its Senegal Vs. The world and my hands are losing lol.
So now i wear gloves which i understand are not exactly the most respected thing in the avian community.
But it helps contain the pain and show less emotion.

Any help as to why he does this?
Will clicker and wooden perch training solve my issue?
Or is my sweetheart just nasty?

[liz]

Instead of letting you know he is scared he is saying "I aint scared of you".

If it was me I would keep my hands away until he settled and decided I was not worth biting.

Put his treats down in front of him and keep your fingers back so he can't reach them.

Others will come on and answer you soon.

[NathanDesnoyers]

Thanks for the reply
Like i said its more of a (hes fine for 2 or 3 step ups then he snaps lol) he takes treats fine from me, no lundging no snapping its only when hea on my fingers perched. Hes 1 and a half years old from what the owner told me.
So could is be his hormones?

[Wolf]

That is what I was telling you in the other topic that you wrote concerning your Senegal. Senegals usually don't go through puberty until they are two years of age, but if they are kept on a human light schedule and are fed mostly foods that are high in protein then it is not uncommon for them to go into puberty early and this is most definitely indicated by what you have described, again in your other post and I gave you the only cure for this condition that is currently known.
I really wish that there was another faster way to reset their internal, biological clock and bring their hormones back down to normal levels, but there is simply no other way that will work. Ask Pajarita about the condition of my hands and arms when I came up to New Jersey to pick up a parrotlet that needed a home. What she saw was right at the tail end of Kiki's puberty and overly hormonal state which took me nearly a year to correct.
It was during this hormonal period of her life that I learned that trying to ignore the pain and acting as if she wasn't hurting me was futile and a total waste of time. She taught me that being honest about it and letting her know that she was hurting me and that this was bad behavior was the only way that she was going to try to control herself and quit biting as much or as hard. This bird is very intelligent and she bonded with me and so she had no desire to hurt me, but raging hormones make them very aggressive and she could not help this although once I realized that she needed to know that she was hurting me, then she started trying to control herself. I am so very happy to say that this year she has gone through her yearly hormonal state and breeding cycle without more than just a few bites. She has bitten me less often this entire season than she used to do in a single day. They are and can be very gentle and loving birds. But sometimes we need to help them get through difficult times. Thankfully, although I didn't have ant experience with birds, I had enough experience with training other animals that I knew and understood that I needed to learn and listen to their body language if I were going to understand her and what was going on in her mind. No one can tell you more about a bird that the bird itself once you learn how to listen to them.
All parrots are photoperiodic and receive the first cues to commence the production of hormones to start the breeding cycle and all of them rely on foods that are high in protein to produce these hormones and it takes both the reduction in high protein foods and the cues given by their internal, biological clock to bring the reproductive cycle to a close.
The longer that you wait to start the bird on the right diet and the right lighting schedule the longer it will take to correct this condition. We have suggested that you take the time to research this out for yourself, but perhaps you don't believe us because we did not provide links to any of the scientific papers to support our statements, but we were trying to get you to research it yourself. If you don't know how to do this or need us to provide documentation then just let me know and I will happily provide you with some links.

[Wolf]

I just noticed that you have two topics in this section asking for the same answers and just found another one in another section, which I am removing. you will not get more results or better suggestions by doing this so please don't confuse the situation in this manner as it does not help you.

[Pajarita]

It's not only his hormones, my dear, it's also your insisting on a relationship which doesn't exist. He doesn't know you from Adam so, of course he's going to bite you! Parrots are not dogs, they are not domesticated and they are not programmed by nature to be eager to please so you need to show them you can be trusted and earn their love BEFORE you even attempt to ask them for anything. Stop asking him to step up until he is ready and you won't get bit. Trying to dominate a parrot and wearing gloves to handle it will only backfire and believe you me when I tell you that you do NOT want a male Senegal which doesn't trust or love you!

And yes, I can personally attest to Wolf's arms been covered with bruises from Kiki's bites!

[NathanDesnoyers]

Hi there, first is like to say im sorry if you feel ive been ignoring or not trusting any of your opinions in this matter.
That is absolutely not the case.
@Wolf ive taken everything youve said personally as the most important due to the amount of writting and information youve given in both topics, as gold for my situation.

I have constantly been researching and reading about avian behaviour and parrot body language wvery day since ive got him.
His schedule has been slightly altered aince i read the last thing about it in the previous topic i posted.
I now wake up around 7am to uncover his cage, place his food in for breakfast and hangout with him a bit before i go back to bed for a little bit.
Please dont missunderstand me here when im asking questions, i AM in fact a new bird owner and yes it is very possible i may be making rhe mistake of trying to rush him into trusting me. But in the meantime anything im not 100% sure of i ask about.. Which is why im always on here asking.

[Wolf]

Keep asking your questions and we will keep answering you with the best information that we have. Pajarita is a treasure trove of information, but sometimes get a bit impatient with people and so sometimes gets a little more gruff, but don't take it too personally as she means well and is only trying to help the bird.
Now matter how it sounds, because we all have good and not so good days, we are all here trying to make life better for the birds. We all care about your bird as much as we care about our own birds. We will try to be patient and understanding as we can, but it is a two way street and sometimes you have to be patient with us too. It is the nature of any and all relationships.

[Pajarita]

Let me tell you something about reading about parrot behavior, it helps much less than what one would think it does because you really cannot generalize something that applies to 100 different species (a macaw, a Senegal and a budgie are all parrots but they all behave completely differently from one another). Aside from that, parrots are all individuals, they change as they get older, males behave differently than females and their background and owner's husbandry make a HUGE difference so even if one owner tells you what his male 5 year old Senegal kept at a human schedule, let out for 2 hours a day and free-fed pellets does, you will find that it doesn't apply AT ALL to your 10 year old female kept at a solar schedule, fed fresh food and allowed to fly 4 hours a day does. In my personal opinion and experience, your best bet is to do research on the way they live in the wild and their physiology so you can understand how food, light, flight, interaction, etc affect their behavior and observe, observe, observe making mental notes of what prompted what behavior. But there are things that are shared by all of them and 1) is diet (they never eat anything dry in the wild -one reason why pellets are not really good for them- and protein is hard to come by), 2) is photoperiodism which tells us that if a bird is not kept to a solar schedule with full exposure to dawn and dusk its endocrine system will be out of whack with the seasons and might end up screwed up which, in time, negatively affects their mood and behavior, and 3) is that they are all highly social to the point that company is a physiological need for them.

[NathanDesnoyers]

Hey guys,
Just wanted to update on a little bit of excitment today.
I decided that i seem to have noticed Rio mostly grips the gloves ive been using to bite and chew and most of the time gets my finger in the process.

So i thought to myself could it be just him wanting to chew on the gloves? So i decided to take the glove off of one hand and keep a glove on the other just incase he bites the bare skin and i need to transfer... And LORD AND BEHOLD he didnt bite me at all!!!
He spent a half hour licking and tasting my hand! No aggression no biting.
Transfered over to the glove hand and he would bite and chew!!

Im so happy he finally has started to trust me!