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anxious baby caique

Postby alleyj » Sun Mar 06, 2016 12:09 pm

Help!!

Long time bird lover and care taker, first time owner. I just bought a 5 month old White Bellied Caique - found out a day after I brought him home that I was given the wrong bird of the two that hatched, and the one I had originally picked was given to the other family already. -_- This bird is very anxious and is extremely attached to me - he needs to be near me or on me at all times he is out of the cage. I can't put him on his perch across the room and get some cleaning done - he will fly off, run across the floor and stand on my feet. He needs to be either on my shoulder or head at all times (I don't let him on my head.) He is good in his cage when I put him away but he doesn't like any of the toys I got him, and I was told that Caiques LOVE their toys. He is out of his cage about 3 hours total a day so I don't think I'm coddling him.

It's only been a few days so I understand he needs time. How much time should I give him for this behavior to change? This is not the bird I picked out and I had never met him before, yet he is so attached to me and I don't feel like this is normal for a parrot? How much anxiety is too much?

I am taking him to the vet later this week for sexing and a well check. I have DNA sexing from the original bird I picked out and if this is a different bird I may wind up giving this one back unless I can figure out these problems. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. :amazon:
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Re: anxious baby caique

Postby ParrotsForLife » Sun Mar 06, 2016 2:09 pm

Of course its normal for Parrots to get attached to you and the toys are new so he's not just gonna play with then if he has never seen them before.How do u know you got the wrong bird?
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Re: anxious baby caique

Postby alleyj » Sun Mar 06, 2016 2:13 pm

ParrotsForLife wrote:Of course its normal for Parrots to get attached to you and the toys are new so he's not just gonna play with then if he has never seen them before.How do u know you got the wrong bird?


He had never met me before in his life, I didn't expect him to be attached to my hip. Caiques are supposed to be obsessed with their toys and he hasn't touched one since I brought him home. I'm just trying to make things comfortable for him.

The band number is different than the number on my certificates and the DNA test.
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Re: anxious baby caique

Postby ParrotsForLife » Sun Mar 06, 2016 2:21 pm

alleyj wrote:
ParrotsForLife wrote:Of course its normal for Parrots to get attached to you and the toys are new so he's not just gonna play with then if he has never seen them before.How do u know you got the wrong bird?


He had never met me before in his life, I didn't expect him to be attached to my hip. Caiques are supposed to be obsessed with their toys and he hasn't touched one since I brought him home. I'm just trying to make things comfortable for him.

The band number is different than the number on my certificates and the DNA test.

All birds are different and they dont get obsessed lol.The toys are new to him of course he is gonna be a little scared he is in a new place with new things.Even if hes not the one you picked u should still keep him.
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Re: anxious baby caique

Postby alleyj » Sun Mar 06, 2016 2:23 pm

ParrotsForLife wrote:
alleyj wrote:
ParrotsForLife wrote:Of course its normal for Parrots to get attached to you and the toys are new so he's not just gonna play with then if he has never seen them before.How do u know you got the wrong bird?


He had never met me before in his life, I didn't expect him to be attached to my hip. Caiques are supposed to be obsessed with their toys and he hasn't touched one since I brought him home. I'm just trying to make things comfortable for him.

The band number is different than the number on my certificates and the DNA test.

All birds are different and they dont get obsessed lol.The toys are new to him of course he is gonna be a little scared he is in a new place with new things.Even if hes not the one you picked u should still keep him.


He's also sneezing a lot. Is this a concern? I don't know yet if I'll be returning him but I am a bit annoyed that I got a bird I did not pick out personally.
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Re: anxious baby caique

Postby liz » Sun Mar 06, 2016 2:36 pm

When a little critter makes his way to me - he is mine. I see his personality develop and love him instantly. I can't even imagine you returning him. Maybe you got him because he is the one who needs you.

You don't have to listen to me. I am just an old woman set in her ways and who cares for her babies better than herself.

For the sneezing, check the area he is in a make sure there is no dust. Sometimes the food has dust.
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Re: anxious baby caique

Postby alleyj » Sun Mar 06, 2016 11:06 pm

liz wrote:When a little critter makes his way to me - he is mine. I see his personality develop and love him instantly. I can't even imagine you returning him. Maybe you got him because he is the one who needs you.

You don't have to listen to me. I am just an old woman set in her ways and who cares for her babies better than herself.

For the sneezing, check the area he is in a make sure there is no dust. Sometimes the food has dust.


I understand and I very well may keep him. However I am a very anxious person myself and wanted a friend to keep me company. A lot of my previous pets have had anxiety too and I was hoping for something that was a bit more grounding for me and a calm in the storm. The one I picked out was like that, and this little guy just feeds the nerves right back to me. :(

I vacuum around him twice a day, he is near the washer and dryer though. It's hard to find a spot for the cage that isn't in direct sunlight, under a vent, or by the door...but the dryer may be why. My dad is a handyman and said if the dryer is the problem he may be able to fix it up for me.
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Re: anxious baby caique

Postby liz » Mon Mar 07, 2016 5:49 am

He would like direct sunlight. If more than one pet has been like this then you may be teaching them.

When you are near him think of his beauty. Try to imagine what he is thinking. They are little but have big personalities. Bring him out to where you are the most so he can watch you while you are not watching him. Sing to him. Myrtle does not sing yet but will land on my shoulder and hum so I will sing to her. I have found that the more active the household the faster they adapt because they are not always the center of attention and can just be themselves while watching the kaos around them.

Only you know what you are capable of. Only you know if you are the best human for him. You took him from the only world he knew and put him in yours. Yes he is scared and needs comfort.
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Re: anxious baby caique

Postby Wolf » Mon Mar 07, 2016 7:56 am

If I may add my 50 cents ( inflation).

As I am sure that you are aware of this bird is just a baby and all alone in a strange new place with a strange new human that he has decided might protect him as this ( in his natural environment ) is a recipe for becoming a snack for the first predator that comes by. So he is very scared and wants to be with you. This may very well be a blessing for you as it could help you to focus less on your own anxieties and more on his. Don't really know, but it does help some with depression.

Will come back to the toy issue directly, but would like to continue in this direction a little longer. Since this bird is so young it has missed out on a lot of the things that its parents would have taught it which now falls to you. You will have to teach your bird things like what to eat and not just whatever it was weaned to from its formula and it may need to be given supplemental feedings of its formula and be allowed to wean itself and this may also be a part of why it is coming to you so much. Please at least consider it. Now back to toys, most of the time the information that we receive about how a bird will be only applies to the adult bird and I believe that this is the case here. This bird has not yet been taught about toys and as its new parent it is up to you to teach it what the toy is and all the ways that it can play with and even destroy them. There is only one way to do this and that is to play with the toys and the bird together, paying attention to which ones it is afraid of and working on these later and starting with the ones that it is least afraid of.

Sneezing. This could be an indicator of illness or it could be as suggested, dust, it could also be caused by the air being too dry for the bird. A simple check to see if the humidity is low enough to cause this is to make sure you bird can't get to the water, but to use you shower on hot to fog up your bathroom and then take the bird in there for 10 to 15 minutes. If the sneezing stops, get a humidifier for you bird and run it part of the time each day.

I would never suggest that you place you bird in direct sunlight unless you can also provide it a way to get out of it whenever it wants to or it may overheat and die. If you can put up curtains than you ma be able to place the bird in front of a window using the curtain to block the sunlight either fully or partially for your bird. I do not know how your home is set up but you might also be able to use some of the larger houseplants to help with providing some shade from incoming sunlight as well as with air quality in the home.

I think that I have addressed most of the external factors that you expressed concerns about and hopefully my suggestions will prove a benefit to the both of you or at least start your thinking process to solve them with things more suited to your lifestyle. Back to the bird and I will let you be in peace.

First thing that you need to be aware of is that regardless of what this birds personality is at this stage of its life, it is going to changes, I can't say how dramatically it will change as sometimes it may not be much and other times the changes are very dramatic. This is a fact and the changes will begin when the hormones begin to affect the bird as it begins puberty and will continue until the bird is fully mature and again I can't tell you how long that will take as it varies from species to species as well as from bird to bird. But I can assure you that it will happen. That will come a bit later and you need to come to terms with yourself and this bird long before then, like now.
The first thing that you should have realized by now is that the bird responds to your every mood, it is its nature to do so. I doubt that it does so through smell like many predators do ,but it is quite an expert on body language and observation, so if you are anxious the bird will see this and it will also be anxious, the benefit to you and best way to deal with it is not by expecting the bird to change you but to understand that it is responding to you, often before you are even aware of the change in yourself and that can cue you in to the fact that you are beginning to become anxious and to calm yourself. This will help you by allowing you to gain better control of yourself and knowing what affects you, After all it is up to you to master this problem and no one can do it for you. This bird is much too small and fragile to do it as it can only respond to it as a means of self preservation. One anxiety attack in you could do irrepairable harm to the bird. All of my birds tell me valuable information about my moods from the little parrotlets to the CAG and Amazon. My CAG is larger than you baby but is probably the most responsive to changes in both my outlook and mood than even the parrotlets are. I suffer from severe depression brought on by the results of injury. Don't look to your bird to do any more than to alert you to anxiety issues in you that you may not have yet become aware of as it is an impossible task for any bird to accomplish, but they can help you to be more aware and help you to redirect yourself part of the time.

As many of the others here, I would get the paper work straightened out and keep the bird and give him a chance. Which by the way is a wonderful name for him, Chance. I firmly believe that sometimes the universe move to give us all what we most need even when we don't recognize it at the time. In this case I firmly believe that this happened as both you and this bird need what the other has to give more than the other bird. as this type of thing never works in only one direction or on just one level. Please consider these thing and let me know what happens. I can only hope that this will be helpful to the two of you.
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Re: anxious baby caique

Postby alleyj » Mon Mar 07, 2016 8:33 pm

Wolf wrote:If I may add my 50 cents ( inflation).

As I am sure that you are aware of this bird is just a baby and all alone in a strange new place with a strange new human that he has decided might protect him as this ( in his natural environment ) is a recipe for becoming a snack for the first predator that comes by. So he is very scared and wants to be with you. This may very well be a blessing for you as it could help you to focus less on your own anxieties and more on his. Don't really know, but it does help some with depression.

Will come back to the toy issue directly, but would like to continue in this direction a little longer. Since this bird is so young it has missed out on a lot of the things that its parents would have taught it which now falls to you. You will have to teach your bird things like what to eat and not just whatever it was weaned to from its formula and it may need to be given supplemental feedings of its formula and be allowed to wean itself and this may also be a part of why it is coming to you so much. Please at least consider it. Now back to toys, most of the time the information that we receive about how a bird will be only applies to the adult bird and I believe that this is the case here. This bird has not yet been taught about toys and as its new parent it is up to you to teach it what the toy is and all the ways that it can play with and even destroy them. There is only one way to do this and that is to play with the toys and the bird together, paying attention to which ones it is afraid of and working on these later and starting with the ones that it is least afraid of.

Sneezing. This could be an indicator of illness or it could be as suggested, dust, it could also be caused by the air being too dry for the bird. A simple check to see if the humidity is low enough to cause this is to make sure you bird can't get to the water, but to use you shower on hot to fog up your bathroom and then take the bird in there for 10 to 15 minutes. If the sneezing stops, get a humidifier for you bird and run it part of the time each day.

I would never suggest that you place you bird in direct sunlight unless you can also provide it a way to get out of it whenever it wants to or it may overheat and die. If you can put up curtains than you ma be able to place the bird in front of a window using the curtain to block the sunlight either fully or partially for your bird. I do not know how your home is set up but you might also be able to use some of the larger houseplants to help with providing some shade from incoming sunlight as well as with air quality in the home.

I think that I have addressed most of the external factors that you expressed concerns about and hopefully my suggestions will prove a benefit to the both of you or at least start your thinking process to solve them with things more suited to your lifestyle. Back to the bird and I will let you be in peace.

First thing that you need to be aware of is that regardless of what this birds personality is at this stage of its life, it is going to changes, I can't say how dramatically it will change as sometimes it may not be much and other times the changes are very dramatic. This is a fact and the changes will begin when the hormones begin to affect the bird as it begins puberty and will continue until the bird is fully mature and again I can't tell you how long that will take as it varies from species to species as well as from bird to bird. But I can assure you that it will happen. That will come a bit later and you need to come to terms with yourself and this bird long before then, like now.
The first thing that you should have realized by now is that the bird responds to your every mood, it is its nature to do so. I doubt that it does so through smell like many predators do ,but it is quite an expert on body language and observation, so if you are anxious the bird will see this and it will also be anxious, the benefit to you and best way to deal with it is not by expecting the bird to change you but to understand that it is responding to you, often before you are even aware of the change in yourself and that can cue you in to the fact that you are beginning to become anxious and to calm yourself. This will help you by allowing you to gain better control of yourself and knowing what affects you, After all it is up to you to master this problem and no one can do it for you. This bird is much too small and fragile to do it as it can only respond to it as a means of self preservation. One anxiety attack in you could do irrepairable harm to the bird. All of my birds tell me valuable information about my moods from the little parrotlets to the CAG and Amazon. My CAG is larger than you baby but is probably the most responsive to changes in both my outlook and mood than even the parrotlets are. I suffer from severe depression brought on by the results of injury. Don't look to your bird to do any more than to alert you to anxiety issues in you that you may not have yet become aware of as it is an impossible task for any bird to accomplish, but they can help you to be more aware and help you to redirect yourself part of the time.

As many of the others here, I would get the paper work straightened out and keep the bird and give him a chance. Which by the way is a wonderful name for him, Chance. I firmly believe that sometimes the universe move to give us all what we most need even when we don't recognize it at the time. In this case I firmly believe that this happened as both you and this bird need what the other has to give more than the other bird. as this type of thing never works in only one direction or on just one level. Please consider these thing and let me know what happens. I can only hope that this will be helpful to the two of you.


my bird was fully weaned before he was sent home to me, and i am following the advice of the breeder in terms of giving him feed. he loves the house blend they gave him and also some of the things i am offering him. thank you for your advice. his name is cosmo. if it winds up being a girl, her name will be cha cha.
he has discovered playing on the floor and walking around (with me watching him at all times) and it has helped him to give me more space. hopefully things will get better as time goes on and the vet will have more advice when she examines him.
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