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Senegal Cage Aggression

Postby Miss Molotov » Tue Nov 09, 2010 11:37 am

Hi guys! I've got a few questions regarding my 9 year old male Senegal's (Wembley) cage aggression and biting.

First thing first-- we are new to each other. I rescued Wembley and Mokey (female)from Craig's List last month. Overall-- we're doing pretty good and making fast progress bonding. They are not afraid of me at all and are very excited to come out of their cage and sit as close to me as they can. We haven't started step up training yet, I wanted them to have time to feel safer with me before that to hopefully minimize biting. They have their own room, and are flighted. Their room is central to the house so they are not alone, and there are no doors to close them in. Their cage door is only closed at night, and they hang out with me in another room if I'm watching tv, etc. This is a new cage for them. its about 4 times larger than the one they had been living in. They have been in this new cage since oct 27th.

The first time Wembley flew to the floor to explore (he looked like a little t-rex stalking around)
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I sat on the floor with a blanket on my lap on the other side of the room. After exploring a bit, he walked over, climbed up the blanket and sat on my knee just looking at me.
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I talked to him, but didn't move, because this was the first time we touched! I did take these pictures, but he loves the camera, and even immitates the sound so I'll bring it out. Eventually he sidled up to my bicep and bit--HARD and over and over. we dont have a tree yet so i put my fist near, he willingly stepped up, and after a moment began biting my knuckles, so i put him back in his cage, but he didnt want to step off!!
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after me slowly tilting my hand toward a perch a few times he hopped off. I'm sure you all know how hard it is to ignore that painful gouging little bite while it's happening!I did manage to get pictures during the whole thing too, so it wasn't entirely focused. I'm wondering, why did he choose to bite me out of nowhere? I didn't see it as territorial because the experience was new to him, and that he came to me and sat with me nicely for so long before biting randomly. Thoughts?

my arm the next day:
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Both the birds look at me expectantly when I am close to them, like they really want to be picked up or ride on my shoulder. In fact, a few times, I've been worried they will jump on me just to ride my shoulder! It makes me think in their previous home their mom must have handled them alot "in the good days". Admittedly, I am nervous about the biting. I know I can handle it, but...its a bite!!

Now for the cage aggression. Mokey, when on top of the cage exploring-- will attempt to bite my hair when I am bent over changing water and food dishes, and has pecked at and pulled my hair, twice. It doesn't hurt, but I don't want her to be trying to hurt me, either. It's a quick movement, which is why I guess its aggression, vs curiosity. And it's new too, she's only done it this week.
Wembley will pinpoint and strike the cage near my hand occasionally when I am attempting to change the fruit treat cup or other dishes. Now then-- both of them loooooove the fruit and food changes, and get very excited when the new selection comes back. If i distract with a carrot, as an example, it usually works, but sometimes, he's hell bent and will drop it and lunge. Any ideas on redirecting and cause? Am I inadvertently threatening them by removing the cup in the first place, even though they know what that means? Any help is appreciated! :D
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Re: Senegal Cage Aggression

Postby Michael » Tue Nov 09, 2010 12:03 pm

Ok, I don't mean to sound like a broken record, but target training, step up, and taming using positive reinforcement reduce biting. This is because they reduce fear, create routine, and let the parrot what you want from them without force. The parrots are going to have to start getting more "good stuff" from you in order to want to be with you, want to be taken out of the cage, etc rather than trying to drive you away from their territories.

Why they bite is sometimes a mystery in itself. You can check out a discussion we were having about Senegal Parrot biting in general.

If you want to be able to handle and take your parrot out of the cage, this whole "the door stays open all the time" thing has to go. I'm not saying it's necessarily wrong to do that but it contradicts having a more dependent/obedient parrot. You have to choose between more freedom or more discipline. If the parrot can come out of the cage on its own, gets food, treats, and toys all the time anyway, why shouldn't it bite you when it feels like it? Don't forget that you get zero credit when food just appears in the cage, toys are already there, the door just comes open, etc. The parrot does not in anyway associate not biting or stepping up with getting those things because you do not ask them to do that in order to get those things. I always have my parrots do something to get what they want in return. This doesn't even have to be tricks but it serves well to at least have them step up in order to get to come out, step up in order to go in, step up to get food served, etc.

I gotta go right now, but if what I say interests you, check out the taming article and we can talk about this some more later. If you prefer to maintain a freer lifestyle, then I don't know how I can help. I guess over time they may get more used to you and bite less, but without training I know no other way that will definitely provide results.
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Re: Senegal Cage Aggression

Postby Miss Molotov » Tue Nov 09, 2010 11:18 pm

Hey Michael, thanks for the advice! I had started reading that thread this morning, glad to know I found the right one. I'll take you up on your offer to talk more about it, too. I'll read the thread and see where it leads me. Thank you! ^_^
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Re: Senegal Cage Aggression

Postby a.susz » Wed Nov 10, 2010 12:14 am

don't forget you just got them, they may be bonded to eachother now, so he may be seeing you as a "threat" to his relationship. give them time to trust you and give them LOTS to do to prevent them biting you---something to chew on, food etc.
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Re: Senegal Cage Aggression

Postby Miss Molotov » Wed Nov 10, 2010 11:37 am

thanks for your advice, a.susz! I've had them for a month now, and they so far don't appear to be one person birds. I try to be very mindful of the fact that everything in the house including me is still new to them. I'm trying to correct the fact that I let them play all over their cage instead of having a separate play area, too. I'm currently trying to locate something like a java play tree without the $400 price tag. My dad is building me something from safe woods, but I won't have it till Christmas...so I think I'm just gonna get crafty and make some play nets and the like for the meantime. Their room is huge, so I'm only limited by my imagination and budget. :lol: And they have toys, but don't really have any favorites, so far. Wembley does like to tear paper if i hold it for him, but only then, and eventually he'll try to walk up it to my hand, which I haven't allowed. Sooooo... I placed an order with Things For Wings this morning because Danita's shop is too cute to ignore-- and I liked that the focus on the toy parts was a little more natural. Hopefully they'll start to tell me what kind of toys they want!
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