Scared the Cr*p out of me!!!!

[cml]

No point in turning this into a flighted/clipped debate.

It's not a debate. It's a solution.

I know that, and agree with you, but I sense that Pomlover disagrees with us and rather than trying to convice her in this thread as well (I seem to recall trying in a different thread), we can try to help her bird !

I am totally against clipping, I consider it a cruel and a horrible practice.

[Pomlover2586]

Thank you for your comments. I understand the clipping viewpoints of others, but in this household clipping is the way we go. No need to debate it one way or the other because it won't change how we care for or love our bird- flighted or otherwise. I will continue to walk him around the house to ensure he knows the boundaries, doors and windows. Thanks again

[liz]

Do you hobble your kids too?

[marie83]

Thank you for your comments. I understand the clipping viewpoints of others, but in this household clipping is the way we go. No need to debate it one way or the other because it won't change how we care for or love our bird- flighted or otherwise. I will continue to walk him around the house to ensure he knows the boundaries, doors and windows. Thanks again

I don't agree with clipping but I like to understand why various people clip as shortly I hope to be working with all manner of animals and people. I'm not going to try to change your mind as I think you wont budge on it, as much as I would love to change your mind. May I ask the reasons you clip and why you wont budge on it? Feel free to PM me if you don't wish to make it public. You may have reason which I have not considered which will help me in the future.

[Pomlover2586]

Due tot he feelings of most members on this board I won't disclose my reasons for clipping- no reason would be accepted by the majority here and thus it is pointless to try to explain.

@ Liz- LOL too funny!

[DustyTheGrey]

Wow shit gets serious fast when the flighted/non flighted talk comes up.

I hope your birdy doesn't fly into the screen door again.

[marie83]

Due tot he feelings of most members on this board I won't disclose my reasons for clipping- no reason would be accepted by the majority here and thus it is pointless to try to explain.

@ Liz- LOL too funny!

Ok fair enough. I will respect your wishes. I did offer the chance to Private message for my research but that is fine. Although I don't agree with clipping I'm not 100% i do think there is the rare circumstance that warrents it. I wont push matters any further. Hope he has recovered from his shock (and you).

[Michael]

Due tot he feelings of most members on this board I won't disclose my reasons for clipping- no reason would be accepted by the majority here and thus it is pointless to try to explain.

The fact that you know that many people would not accept your reasons for clipping should really make you think twice about it. Most people that are against clipping because they tried keeping their parrot flighted and found out that most of the reasons for clipping are ludicrous.

I do realize that people have housing or living arrangements that make keeping a flighted bird more difficult, however, it is practically never that they cannot be solved. Families living with a handicapped member might change things to accommodate like installing ramps or changing other arrangements. Likewise, owning a parrot requires some changes in our households, routines, and mindsets. It is unfair to intentionally handicap the bird rather than to compromise and adapt.

The reason I and others brought up "don't clip" in this topic is because it is a solution that directly addresses your initial concern. Your parrot still has reflexes to fly yet cannot adequately control it to fly safely. Given the ability to fly and a few lessons in where not to go, it would be able to fly about safely. I strongly advise you to be a bit more open minded and listen to the reasons people are giving you. The strongest love for their companion parrots is driving it. In turn, I hope everyone else can be polite and supportive as well.

My position on clipping vs flight is summarized here. Don't be afraid of a parrot that flies. It is the best thing you can do for them, a ton of fun, safe (with a little forethought and diligence), and a solution to many of the problems that are consequences of being clipped! Thank you.

[liz]

...and we skipped the health issue. Birds are ment to fly. If they do not the flight muscles will not develope. I wonder what else those flight muscles would be needed for. Maybe even resperation at a later age.

[Pomlover2586]

"The fact that you know that many people would not accept your reasons for clipping should really make you think twice about it." -Michael

Does this statement hold true for a Muslim surrounded by a group preaching Christianity? Or Gun control? Or Abortion rights? Welfare without drug testing? Religion in schools? Or any other highly debatable topic?

Simple answer is NO. To each their own, and everyone should RESPECT the opinions and choices of others. If I choose to clip or not clip my bird that is my choice and members here should not try to persuade me or convince that my choice is wrong. You may feel it is wrong and that is your OPINION- it does not make it fact.

Iago is well loved and spoiled rotten- whether he is clipped or not. I am done defending my position- bottom line- MY bird MY choice.