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Re: almost fully FLIGHTED!!!! so excited

Postby Pajarita » Wed Jun 05, 2013 2:41 pm

I have to say that I've had flighted birds for over 20 years and I've never had a single negative comment from an Avian Vet. Clipping parrots started off as an American thing mostly, they certainly didn't do it in Latin America or Australia but, as with all bad things, it kind of 'caught-on' (same as the deplorable habit of caging dogs...)
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Re: almost fully FLIGHTED!!!! so excited

Postby janetafloat » Wed Jun 05, 2013 4:35 pm

I haven't had that here in the UK either
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Re: almost fully FLIGHTED!!!! so excited

Postby Brittanyv326 » Wed Jun 05, 2013 4:43 pm

Even this vet that had the open mind and positive comments, did warn about mirrors & windows. I'm amazed you guys have not experienced this. He also told me a sad story of a Grey he had that was spooked by a cat & flew in his cage, banged his head on the top of the cage & died of a brain hemorrhage. I think it was a sideways way of warning me about flighted birds but that could happen to a clipped bird too, am I wrong? Very sad story.

It's nice to hear that the typical American way of keeping pets is not popular in other countries. That makes me very happy!
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Re: almost fully FLIGHTED!!!! so excited

Postby feathermum » Wed Jun 05, 2013 5:44 pm

I accally just excidedly told some fellow bird lovers that mine are now flying....well I got chewed out somethin' firce! but I REFUSE to let them make me feel b ad about this! harness training is going well, & it's a working progress, which in the end will pay off. it does kinda hurt when ppl think so badly about you over this & say horriable things, but I 100% feel that this is right, so brushing it off.... :roll:
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Re: almost fully FLIGHTED!!!! so excited

Postby Serafisk » Thu Jun 06, 2013 1:35 pm

That's the spirit, feathermum! Just like Brittany said about her Saide, the bird will probably be healthier when it is able to excercise by flying, and in the end it will feel better and probably be a much happier bird :]

I'm sorry that your peers flamed you for having a flighted bird, mostly because I feel sorry for them, being so locked in their opinions. But you just keep brushing it off like you did, knowing that your bird most likely would thank you if it could :]
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Re: almost fully FLIGHTED!!!! so excited

Postby cml » Thu Jun 06, 2013 1:40 pm

feathermum wrote:I accally just excidedly told some fellow bird lovers that mine are now flying....well I got chewed out somethin' firce! but I REFUSE to let them make me feel b ad about this! harness training is going well, & it's a working progress, which in the end will pay off. it does kinda hurt when ppl think so badly about you over this & say horriable things, but I 100% feel that this is right, so brushing it off.... :roll:

You are doing the right thing, the people you encountered are uneducated and have no right to be judgemental. Unfortunatly they dont get that though :?...

I am happy for your progress :D.
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Re: almost fully FLIGHTED!!!! so excited

Postby Pajarita » Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:29 pm

I agree with CML, it's mostly ignorance that fuels the clipping thing. Birds need to fly. Period. Their respiratory system is infinitely superior to ours because the 'dirty' air doesn't mix with the 'clean' air in their lungs (as it does in ours). They needed a higher efficiency in terms of oxygen (for their flying) so Nature made it so their respiratory system doesn't mix the clean air with the dirty and, to achieve that, it gave them not only lungs (as mammals have) with 'closed' alveoli (these are the little thingies at the very end of the bronchi -little tubes that carry the air into and throughout the lungs- and where the oxygen is absorbed into the blood) but a more complex system where the air goes into the lungs but doesn't come out (as when we exhale) right away, it goes into one set of air sacs after another until it comes out (that's why they cannot cough like mammals do). Now, there are two problems with this system: one is that the lungs are not elastic like ours, they are quite rigid, and they don't have a diaphragm to 'bellow' the lungs so the only way that the air goes from one set to another is through pressure (they take a breath and the air goes into the lungs and, with the next breath, the new air pushes the 'old' air in the lungs into the first set of air sacs which in turn pushes the air they are 'holding' into the second set and so on and so forth) and the other is that they all communicate with one another (that's why it's called an 'open-ended' system) so if one set gets infected, they all get infected. The last set is actually the only one that has a sort of 'bellowing' action and this is caused by the muscles of the wings when they go up and down in flight. No flight, no 'bellowing' action on the last set of air sacs which means that the only way the air can come out is through the pressure created by the new air that came in -which sounds fine to us but it's not because it only allows for a limited amount of movement. This limited movement creates an atrophy and any organ that is not working as it should and becomes partially weakened or atrophied creates a fertile ground for infection (not my opinion but a scientific fact). And then, because the lungs and the air sacs are all connected, if one set gets infected, they all get infected. And that's why birds that don't fly have respiratory infections so often.

A clipped bird is NOT a healthy bird. And I am only talking physical health and not even going into the emotional problems it creates (birds fly away when they feel danger -you know, the 'fight-or-flight' response, aka 'acute stress response'- but a clipped bird cannot fly away which causes terrible stress to the poor animal).
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