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Re: After 3 years, finally have feathered friends!

Postby codyf » Wed Apr 30, 2014 5:10 pm

Heh, love how advice is "Go to a vet!" and in the same breath "Don't listen to the vet!" :?

They're watery all day long. They do one pretty big watery one in the morning and another when I come home, sometimes a third a little later (usually after they land from their first flight). But even the "regular" ones are quite watery.

I don't feed them coloured pallets. The vet's suggestion on restricting fresh vegetables was to to see if that was the cause, not as a permanent solution. She's going to follow up with me in a few days to discuss the results. It was not suggested I cut them off from plant food, sorry if I didn't make that clear.

Last night for dinner they had beans instead of peppers/carrots/broccoli. I didn't give them any fruit in this morning (too much water in the fruit was another possibility).

Tonight I'm going to reduce the amount of veggies I give them and supplement it with something else. This is the second time they've had beans and I get the feeling they don't really like them lol. They seem to avoid eating them until they get hungry enough.
Triss & Falka
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Re: After 3 years, finally have feathered friends!

Postby Wolf » Wed Apr 30, 2014 6:29 pm

Since they have a tendency to be a bit reluctant about new foods, they may be reluctant just because they don't get them very often? You could also try brown rice, barley even pasta to name a few alternatives, mine get a mixture of them along with their beans and veggies.
I had noticed that every time I feed fresh fruit my birds' poop gets watery which was the basis for my suggestion. I only meant to try that first because if that was the problem it should clear up after 24 hrs. The pellets would also have a drying tendency that would act by pulling water out of the food that they were eating which could mean that they would have to drink more to replace it. since they usually get most of their water from their food, causing them to have to drink more seems to be self defeating to me.
I did not consider that suggesting one last attempt at finding out what the cause of this water was, especially since it was in the same direction that the vet was going, would create any problem. This was why I presented that as an option, not to say don't listen to your vet.
I am sorry if this has created even a small problem for you. I do not have a medical degree of any kind, I do however try to exhaust my other options before using a vet.
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Re: After 3 years, finally have feathered friends!

Postby Pajarita » Thu May 01, 2014 8:59 am

The suggestion to take them to a vet was because they would need a fecal and blood work, which you cannot do yourself. Were either or both done? Because a bacterial intestinal infection or an imbalance in the proportion of bad to good bacteria does result in diarrhea or watery poop but they are treated differently and not through any type of dietary restriction. Avian vets are good for testing, diagnosis, identification of pathogens, physiological problems, surgery and treatment - what they are not good at is diet and behavior because they don't study those subjects in school. So, personally, for anything related to disease, I recommend following the AV's advice but, when it comes to diet or behaviors, they are not the best person to go to...

In my personal experience, bird poop is very wet. We are used to seeing dog and cat poop but they are carnivores and their poop is always 'dry' compared to birds'. Did the avian vet suggest probiotics and ACV? Because pellets have no phytonutrients and, because of that lack, they do not provide the medium for digestive enzymes to flourish (that's why they need the produce) so digestive upsets are common with them as they are a very unnatural diet.
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