Isis Redbelly

[GMV]

I disagree, because nothing can be perfect for everything, so no complete perfection. Besides, if something is perfect it would be perfect enough to be viewed perfectly by any imperfect person. Its just a big paradox that's not related to time at all

[Wolf]

I don't know where time came into the picture, but ok. You are welcome to see what you choose to see and think what you want to. But as I can see perfection all about me, I must say that I am glad to live in my world rather than in yours.

[GMV]

Time isn't relevant, i just said it because i said "paradox".
and yeah, i think the roots of our opinions come down to something deep, so it would be best if we didn't go any further into this discussion.

[Pajarita]

I think 'time' came into it because younger generations know the word 'paradox' from the time travel of science fiction movies but paradox simply means something that sounds absurd, illogical or incorrect but, in reality, it's not. And perfection is, I guess, one of those things because although nothing can be perfect, everything can be perfect in its own imperfection and that's the way I regard my parrots, they are not perfect pets but they are perfect parrots.

[Wolf]

I think that it is simply a matter of perception, like how we choose to see the world around us or even the fact that we both can look at the same table for instance but the table that we perceive is vastly different from what the other one perceives. and as I had said earlier what is perfect in one circumstance is not in another. A little more in depth than yours but basically the same.

[Pajarita]

Yes, I agree 100%.

[GMV]

Well, I can give you guys everything Is perfect at something, but that would include mankind. And if its all about perception, im sure someone percieves mankind as perfect, so does that make us perfect? Isis is the perfect isis, delights the perfect delight, mankind is the perfect mankind, evil is the perfect evil, good is the perfect good, but no matter the greatness in something it will always be flawed at one thing. this world is flawed at surviving humanity, humanity is flawed at treating the world. How do people define perfect???
"Flawless at everything and every aspect"?
"Always ends up with the best possible outcome for life or space"?
"Created by god/gods"?
We all know "just right" comes to mind, but just right at what? Everything? If you're just right at knowing all, you can't be just right at failing to know all. In that case you could say you could know how to not know all, but then you would not be perfect at knowing all and not be able to lose your knowledge. That can apply to win win situations, too.
That's only one definition of perfect, so I'm not saying thats the truth about perfect at all, but it is about the "good at everything" definition.
I understand that might come across as confusing.
I think we are thinking of different "perfects"?
Maybe we are on the wrong page altogether.

[GMV]

Though I guess if you mean being the best possible for all , I could live with that. I can imagine this discussion going nowhere... I don't really have strong feelings about what perfect is, so it might help if I knew how you define perfect, then it would clear things up to me a little.
I'm not deeming you guys wrong, I am just not sure I can conform to your views of it with the little information we have of it.
If this is not making progress, then we each have a right to our own opinion on it, and I Don't think it would matter too much, and I sure hope it won't.
I am also curious how my world is not one to live in because i don't understand perfection by many meanings of it.

[Pajarita]

It's a matter of definition, Gordon. This is what I found on the dictionary:

1. conforming absolutely to the description or definition of an ideal type:
"a perfect sphere; a perfect gentleman."

2. excellent or complete beyond practical or theoretical improvement:
"There is no perfect legal code. The proportions of this temple are almost perfect."

3. exactly fitting the need in a certain situation or for a certain purpose:
"a perfect actor to play Mr. Micawber; a perfect saw for cutting out keyholes."

4. entirely without any flaws, defects, or shortcomings:
"a perfect apple; the perfect crime."

5. accurate, exact, or correct in every detail:
"a perfect copy."

6. thorough; complete; utter:


All of them apply to my parrots because they are all perfect parrots. People would say that their parrot is not perfect because it screams, bites, doesn't talk, doesn't learn tricks, chews furniture and clothes, poops and throw food all over the place, etc but this is just because they have the wrong idea or expectation of what a parrot should be.

To me, all of nature is perfect and only man is not because man is self-destructive and that is a complete anomaly in nature. And I seriously doubt that anybody has, does or ever will regard mankind as perfect -the most you can get is that they think 'they' are perfect but everybody else is not.

[GMV]

I just don't understand enough about being itself to agree with all of the definitions. A lot of those definitions have to do with opinion as well. Example (what you think parrot should be like) (which situation is ideal to be fitted)
And I simply don't believe in #4 for reasons i stated already. some of those definitions make sense, but they are not what I think of when i hear perfect.
You know what? I think we need more than one word for so many meanings!