Isis Redbelly

[Wolf]

While you could say that it is a matter of definitions and that is correct, it is also a matter of perception. Perception is how you perceive the world you live in as well as how you perceive yourself. How you perceive the world around you is also your world view and it is unique as there is no one else who perceives the world in quite the same way. Perfection is a lot like that in many respects and personally I subscribe to the perfect for the circumstances and not the perfect in every way because it would be unchanging and stagnant and to me dead. life is always changing. The concept of perfection is truly only important if you choose for it to be, but it is often against our concept of perfection that we either judge everything in our world and that is usually not good or it becomes the model that we aspire to and that can be great. Volumes have been written on this topic.

[GMV]

yes perception plays a role, but I think what perception does is decide how you define it.

I must say that I am glad to live in my world rather than in yours.

I don't understand what about my world is so uninhabitable, and how is it relevant to my understanding of perfection?

[Pajarita]

I can't speak for Wolf but I think he meant that his 'perfect' world is better than your 'nothing is perfect' one.

And, Gordon, not to nitpick but don't you think it's a bit arrogant for somebody to say that he doesn't agree with the accepted definition of a word? Don't you ever use the word 'perfect' in a sentence in that way? Like "This is the perfect cage for Lily" or "She chose the perfect dress for the occasion" Because, if you don't, you must be the only person on earth who doesn't.

And, no, what a parrot should be is not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact (mind you, we are not talking 'pet', we are talking 'parrot').

I think the problem resides in the fact that you are looking at the meaning of the word 'perfect' from a religious point of view where only God is perfect and everything else is not - but that's not language, it's religion, which is not fact or even perception, it's just doctrine.

[GMV]

I am not religious at all so I am most certainly not looking at it from a religious view at all. I do think that definition 4 is impossible to have in existence. I disagree with its possibility, and if that makes you think I'm arrogant I have nothing to say but that kind of hurts.

[Wolf]

My wolrd is far from perfect, at least from my point of view, but that does not make it devoid of perfection by any means. I am glad that I live in my world because of the perfections in it and feel that is a better place than a world without it.

[GMV]

Also, I'm sure one out of the 8 billion people on i his planet sees humanity as perfect.
It is just not reasonable to say everything is perfect except for humanity if you deem perfection to be about "perception"
By the way you guys define it, everything can be perfect, and I still fail to see one bit of evidence other than your words that humanity can not be.
I am not the kind of person to think and blindly follow what anyone tells me, so I'm not going to use any religion as an excuse to deny perfection, that is just not me.
I see incomplete points and word use, desperate and hurtful remarks, and lack of desire to understand what I mean and what definition i go by.
If you guys are going to make me explain every word i said here like I know you tend to do, I will be happy to "feed my own fire" again.
Though my main wish is we all agree we define or "perceive" perfection differently.
I think that probably won't happen, though.

[Wolf]

Actually I have said very little about your definitions of the word and the worst that I am guilty of is saying that I preferred my world to view over yours and that you are welcome to see this as you choose to. I have at this point not named a single thing as either perfect or imperfect. In fact, I have done none of the things that you are saying that I have.
I am sorry that you are upset that you were not able to convince me that a world without perfection is better in some way than one that does contain it in it. That is your problem and not mine.

[GMV]

I was not trying to convince you of anything. I was trying not to agree to something I don't understand. I can't say this any clearer:

I Don't claim to know a thing about perfection, I was only trying to say my definition of perfection is a concept I can't understand and will not say I do.
I never said my world is better than yours, I bet mine sucks 10x worse, I just wanted to know what made you think that.

I disagree that you made no flaws or incomplete points or words in your posts.
I don't think you used perceive correctly, and you posted the same thing about it multiple times, and I still don't see evidence that humanity is special from the rest of existence in perfection if you don't see perfection as your own opinion only.
And I don't think everything can be perfect but humans can't if you think perfection is not your opinion only, but you can believe that for whatever personal reasons you want, and will respect it as long as you stop trying to make me believe it.

The only reason I am upset is because is this discussion turned into personal attacks on me.

We define or "perceive" perfection differently, so if you want to go anywhere near discussing this anymore, you will need to define "perfect" and "perceive" in your own words based on what they mean to you.

I said things in their directed at different people, so everything i said does not apply to one person.

Does that clear anything up?

[Wolf]

I never mentioned humanity in any way nor have I attacked you in any way. And as I said earlier you are welcome to your opinion, that is fine with me. At no point in time are you required to agree with anything that I have said, am saying now or will say. It doesn't bother me in the least.
So if you wish to carry this further than show where I attacked you and validate your claims or just let it go.

[GMV]

Wolf:
You didn't really attack me too much at all, and i'm not aware of you mentioning humanity.

I said things in their directed at different people, so everything i said does not apply to one person.