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Re: seriously people.

Postby Wolf » Sun Dec 20, 2015 10:39 pm

Can't say whether they have pets are not, but pets are a possession, much the same as a car is a possession. I do have animals in my home but they are not pets, they are members of my family.
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Re: seriously people.

Postby Chantilly » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:56 am

Wolf wrote:Can't say whether they have pets are not, but pets are a possession, much the same as a car is a possession. I do have animals in my home but they are not pets, they are members of my family.


Well said, please excuse my previous wording. :thumbsup:
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Re: seriously people.

Postby Wolf » Wed Dec 23, 2015 5:39 am

Chantilly, there was nothing wrong with your previous wording, if fact it was likely right on the money, I was just adding the thought that even if they did have pets that just as in many people around where I live a pet is a pet, a possession and no one care if they have feelings or if they receive love or medical attention, they are easily replaceable and are a throw away possession. To people like this their lives hold no meaning, it makes me ashamed to be the same species as they are. I have been a hunter for all of my life and I have a profound respect for life and can not tolerate a senseless death, especially one that I can prevent. The way that all of the animals go due to our actions and lack of action is exactly where we as a species are also headed. L have no issues with the concept that it is just an animal, as long as we do not forget that we too are just an animal with no more and no less value than any other animal.
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Re: seriously people.

Postby liz » Wed Dec 23, 2015 6:37 am

My son has been surfing through the Ocala FL Craigslist in search of an orange cat that my Aunt wants for Christmas. How cold is that to choose a pet by color? While surfing he came across a BF male for $300 with cage and toys. It is the same post that I answered for Myrtle. The cage and toys are worth $300 so the BF is a throw away.
This really hurts me. These beings are not toys. How can people have an animal then get rid of it. I cannot take another little being in my life at this time. I have considered getting him so I can foster then find him a good home.
I have never chosen an animal. These kids come into my life on their own. I love little Beagles but of the 7 dogs between us there is no beagle. We take what needs us. I would have chosen a Caig (little hopping parrots) if I had no pets and actually had to search for one. Instead I have 2 Amazons and a flock of Cockatiels.
There are so many in the flock that look similar. I have to take a minute to see which one it is. My Pearls all have some sort of handicap except for Jackie who has curly head feathers. They love being in a flock but each one has it's own personality that comes through.
Phoenix was named after the bird that rose from the ashes. Some one chopped off the hand part of his wing and he came to me as a bloody mess. He should never have trusted humans again. Yesterday I was on my hands and knees scrubbing poop off the baseboards when Phoenix walked up to me to see what I was doing. It felt like "you missed a spot". I don't understand how anyone can give them away. The few I rehomed where given up to go to a better home than I was able to give.
Well that was my rant.
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Re: seriously people.

Postby Chantilly » Wed Dec 23, 2015 10:09 pm

Wolf wrote:Chantilly, there was nothing wrong with your previous wording, if fact it was likely right on the money, I was just adding the thought that even if they did have pets that just as in many people around where I live a pet is a pet, a possession and no one care if they have feelings or if they receive love or medical attention, they are easily replaceable and are a throw away possession. To people like this their lives hold no meaning, it makes me ashamed to be the same species as they are. I have been a hunter for all of my life and I have a profound respect for life and can not tolerate a senseless death, especially one that I can prevent. The way that all of the animals go due to our actions and lack of action is exactly where we as a species are also headed. L have no issues with the concept that it is just an animal, as long as we do not forget that we too are just an animal with no more and no less value than any other animal.

Agreed
liz wrote: These kids come into my life on their own. I love little Beagles but of the 7 dogs between us there is no beagle. We take what needs us. I would have chosen a Caig (little hopping parrots) if I had no pets and actually had to search for one. Instead I have 2 Amazons and a flock of Cockatiels..
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I would love to adopt a pet, more specifically one that chooses me, but having two Staffies, a parrot chickens and ducks & reptiles, but if it was a cat or dog, it wouldnt get along with chickens/ducks or dogs. When I am older/ have my own place, I would love to adopt some dogs, mabye a cat and of course a parrot.
We had a young galah come to us, but she sadly died choking up blood, we dont know the cause but if we had of taken her to the local vet he would of killed her because she was from the wild, we did everything we could but she didnt make it. To this day I blame myself because I was holding her when she started to cough up blood and within a few minutes she was gone.
If I became a vet I couldnt do that. Just kill a bird because it is from the wild. We had taken one or two galahs to a vet before (they had broken wing or hit by a car..) but he'd just keep it for a while andthe next morning say 'Oh sorry it didnt make it.' I was reading about something, a lady kept having injured galahs and the flock come to her and she'd take the injured to the vet(ordinary and avian) and they'd say "Sorry it died" and then she kept some and they died after a week. But seeing as all of the ones that went to the vet died overnight, they oviously were putting them down. Why!!!
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Re: seriously people.

Postby Wolf » Wed Dec 23, 2015 11:14 pm

Most likely because they are considered to be an agricultural pest. The bird that you spoke of as having died in your hands was most likely poisoned as a means of controlling large flocks of them. It was definitely not your fault.
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Re: seriously people.

Postby Chantilly » Thu Dec 24, 2015 8:09 pm

She was only a baby....
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Re: seriously people.

Postby Wolf » Thu Dec 24, 2015 10:13 pm

I understand how you felt then and how you feel now and there is nothing that I can say that can make it better other than it was not your fault.
That and many other such things are the result of our not working with nature in preserving the ecosystems that exist. In the name of progress we ( our species) breed indiscriminately and overpopulate and then we clear cut forests and kill off the natural predators and drive other animals from their natural habitat, we plant our crops and build our homes and breed even more profusely and destroy more habitats and when the displaced animals eat some of out crops we call them pests and since their are no predators to control their numbers, they eat larger amounts of our crops and since that does not leave enough for us we then proceed to exterminate these so called pests that we created and all of the world is out of balance.
This does not even go into the other ways that we destroy the environment. And just like many other parasites we produce many toxins that poison out host, which in our case is the entire planet and the little bubble of air surrounding it. Hopefully, before it is too late we can develop a symbiotic relationship with our world and all of us can survive together each helping the other to live.
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Re: seriously people.

Postby Chantilly » Fri Dec 25, 2015 1:02 am

Yes.
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Re: seriously people.

Postby BabyBird » Sat Dec 26, 2015 12:35 pm

My parrot was from a pet shop, in a cage about a quarter size of the one shes in now, with two little pots of seed at the bottom, no water, and she had to share that cage with another parrot. The lady only educated us about the bird so we would tick the review boxes on the paper to say that she had done a good job, simply only telling us this for the money, not for the birds health. She told us the birds wouldn't touch the food and only knock it over(the bowls were 2 little ceramic dishes at the bottom, no wonder they couldn't eat from them) (the conures looked terrified, when I picked the one I wanted the member of staff roughly grabbed it and stuffed him into a box) and they would try to escape, (she had locks around the cage doors) another member of staff came in holding what it seemed to be a dead budgie. The budgies were crammed into cages and stacked up, there were Quakers, conures, 2 galah cockatoos in a cage which looked hardly suitable for 1 of them, I wanted to buy them all.. But I couldn't so I just got my little conure instead, she looked thin and scared when we brought her home, and quite small.. We are told that she's 1 year old, she came with information papery which were printed from what I looks like 'Microsoft office word' with a printer that was lacking black ink, and the information was just copy and pasted for wiki, she came with no documents.. Just a bag of seed and a pot of grit (we don't give her grit though).. Sometimes I wonder, do we even care about the animals anymore, or do we hair see the greed and money in them instead :( :( :(
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