Shrek and Tilly

[Chantilly]

Just because it will be easier than starting a new thread for each little update I have on the two... Im making a page for updates and questions I have
Tilly has been really jelous that Shrek gets attention, although Tilly gets like twice the amount as Shrek (more than she used to get).. and Tilly will tease Shrek through Shreks cage when she is out. I dont really have a problem with this but I dont want Shrek to get a chunk of Tilly, because Tilly will climb around Shreks cage, while Shrek tries to bite her (Tilly has a ball doing this) until Shrek gets close enough then Tilly tries to bite her through the cage, but today silly Tilly got caught because Tilly was standing on the side of the cage waiting for Shrek (who was climbing up from bellow) to get close enough and Shrek got close and bit Tilly's foot, it didnt bleed but Tilly did get a scare. I admit it was pretty funny, because I kept getting her off Shreks cage and she would just fly back to it (she obvisly loves teasing) but she should know that if she plays with fire she will get burned.
Yesterday my sister bought a bottle of natural coconut and she poured some into a dish for Tilly (it was just coconut milk and water) and Tilly was thrilled she was drinking it the rest of the day.
Other than that...

Re: Need help with conure
by Pajarita » Fri Jan 29, 2016 12:00 pm

Yes, the wing fluttering and up and down bobbing is begging. But, sometimes, birds that were not weaned properly keep on begging their entire lives (they develop an eating disorder)... In any case, knowing the diet and schedule would help a lot to make a more accurate determination.

This is exactly what Shrek does when she sees me. Really fast fluttering and she will then bop up and down and whistle out 'phoo' . She is actually trying to get me to share spit with her when she does this and 98% of the time I refuse 2% of the time I let her have what she wants so she dosnt start screaming. And the whole time she is out she is getting a big scratch. (She is so needy or insecure or something!!!????)
Also she made Dad bleed yesterday, Mum was holding her and Dad went to give Mum a hug, mistake!!!(he was going to work).. but if Mum is holding her and I am close enough she will just hop onto me, and then if someone tries to get her they get bit.. HARD! Anyone can let her out if i'm not around, but if im there she will bite them and then come to me and be all cudly (Very annoying!!)
I know that she has chosen her favourite, but I wish she could be like Tilly and be happy/ish with anyone, when everyone is around..

Thoughts?

[Chantilly]

Also: She calls out when ever she hears the wild lories flying past, I feel sorry for her, she wasnt doing well at the bird park with the lories but I think sometimes she wants a flock.., Starting to wonder if she is really more human than bird.

[Chantilly]

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[Wolf]

You have at least two major differences to consider with these two birds. The first is that they are two different species of parrots and although there are going to be some similarities there are going to be a lot of natural difference between the two. The second is that regardless of species differences there are also plain old personality differences. Personality differences can often be more important than species differences in how they express themselves.
The protectiveness that Shrek is showing could be a species difference, or a personality difference or it could be a bit of both and there is no way to know for sure.

Kiki is a Senegal and they can be very protective of their human, but Kiki likes meeting new people and she started out by wanting to fight any bird that got on me while she was with me. Presently, she will accept any bird that I allow to be on me without a problem and if a human asks her to step up from me she will simply either go to them or move away, unless they get insistent in which case they will pay for their foolhardiness in flesh and blood.

Kookooloo is a Congo African Grey, they are also very devoted to their human. Normally she will attack anyone who gets too close to me. If they attempt to get her to step up from being on me she will move away and if they try again she will attack them. Although I can get her to allow another bird to be on me at the same time as she is, I must remain vigilant because she will attack them the first chance she gets.

Keeta is a Celestial Parrotlet, She will allow other birds to be on me, but I do have to watch her, to keep her from attacking the other bird. I also have to watch her with humans as she may fly off to attack them or she may go to them and be happy once she has bitten them a couple of times. She gats excited and all bitey in a heartbeat and over the slightest thing.

They are all very similar and all very different, Kiki is a very hands on bird, Kookooloo, is not, and Keeta is also a hands on bird but she is also the one most apt to go exploring. Kiki will tear up a toy or leave it alone, Kookooloo, will examine a toy, if she is not afraid of it, and will play with me with the toy, Keeta will attack the toy and kill it over and over again, don't get in the way because she will do the same with your fingers.

These are some of the ways that they are unique and fun to be with. Some of these difference are species differences and some are personality differences Some of the manner in which they react are purely based on size differences, I could never wish that one would be more like the other as they are all very loving in their own ways and they are all very fascinating to me as much for their differences as for their similarities.

[JessiMuse]

You could try to socialize her to the family. That's what I've been trying to do with mine, ever since I got Lucy back. Alex is ok with it (he's recently taken to flying to my dad's head), but Lucy flies away from everyone but me, so she needs some work. They're not even different species.
My pionus Dudley on the other hand, hates everyone but my mom since she feeds him (ironic since he's supposed to be my dad's bird), but is still territorial with his cage and will bite regardless. I'm trying to train him, so he's used to someone other than the one who feeds him (plus my mom isn't the kind to stick to a training schedule).

Though if she is already ok with your family members aside from when they're near you, another thing you can do is let them hug you while she's in her cage or something, and give her a treat afterwards, every time. Then she'll associate people hugging as a good thing. Then you can do it while she's out of the cage, then eventually while she's on you.

[Wolf]

You are welcome to try that what Jessemuse suggests but think it through first. The bird has bonded with you which is the reason for its protectiveness. This is their natural behavior towards their mate and that is exactly the type of bonding that exists towards you. There are some behaviors that are very difficult to alter and this is likely to be one of them. This is not why I am saying to think it through, though. The reason that I am suggesting that you think it through is that while it may work with cockatiels, which do not develop this same bond to the same degree as a GCC does, this may backfire on you and your bird will get mad at you for your betrayal and decide to discipline you for your misbehavior. You need to realize that the bird views you as a mate even if it can't have sex with you.

I would be interested in knowing how it works out for you.

[Pajarita]

Wolf is right. Cockatiels are not jealous birds. They do bond with their mates but they are more flock oriented than pair oriented. I had a few threesomes in cockatiels (both two males to one female and two females to one male) and all three were perfectly OK with the arrangement (the odd gender always perching between the other two but all three of them eating and sleeping together as well as allopreening with the same generosity to either gender) but this would never work out with a GCC, a Senegal or an amazon, for example. You can train birds to do certain things and you can train them not to do others but you can't train them out of a natural behavior because it's the way their brain is 'programmed'.

Now, as to feeding them in the beak... bad idea all around. There are two relationships that use this: mate to mate or parent to baby and neither is good for a human and a bird. If the bird sees you as its parent, it will eventually reject you when sexually mature and looking for a mate - and, if the bird sees you as his/her mate, it will eventually resent the fact that you are not there 24/7/365 and sharing you with anybody. The best relationship you can have with them is to be a beloved flock mate, a very special friend, if you will, but without any sexual or filial undertones to it.

[Chantilly]

Thankyou so much for all the info & advice!
Yes Tilly is an everyone birdie (although because I give her most of her time out of the cage I am kind of her pick of shoulder, followed by Mum)
and Shrek is a 'Just give me scratches all day' cute little birdie.
Pajarita..I am not sure if will she come to learn I am not her mate and that we are just friends... and if she does I have a feeling that she will then decide to be mates with my sister (No matter what I say to her or ask herto/not to do, she does not care and just keeps feeding the birds food from her mouth. She is older than me /I think that is part of the reason why she dosnt listen to me/ and even though I doubt she has ever googled anything parrot related (and I still do all the cleaning and feeding) kind of acts like she knows everything... when even I am still not sure and I am allotand I am much more parrot involved than her ...I stopped doing it with Tilly once you guys told me how bad it was on my 'seriously people' post, but my sister is very arrogent.. and annoying). I dont have a problem with her liking my sister, or even picking her as a favorite later on, but she is always working and dosnt put in the same/any energy to keeping them content and happy and clean as me. When she gives them attention it is random and never actually on her/only through cage bars.

Updates:
Shrekie says
Shrek, Scratch and Hello.. although her talking isnt important it is exciting to hear them say new things.
She went for a big fly the other day, probably 20-30 metres but her wings are very weak and she isnt a good flyer Tilly could get 39 metres in about 3 seconds it took her about 20-30 sexonds and she flapped her wings so much more per second than Tilly would. I am trying to encourage her to take flight to build up her wing muscles, but she rarely goes for a fly because it is so exausting for her.
Volonteering this morning was soo hot after the storms, on a sunny day the humidity was VERY high and yeah, I felt like I was going to fall over We were there for 4 and 1/2 but whew it has haawwwt up there (Oh also I make atleast one toy to take for a caged bird each (lol the Alexandrines have had three already because they destroy it in like one second) week and this morning it was for one of the long billed correlas named Oscar a very lovely birdie. He was more intrested in a scratch (Its all he ever wants, he used to get 24/7 before he was given in to the park, so he misses his old life and has plucked under his wings.. he is such a lovely bird though)

Tilly is great. Decided she wanted a banana so she flew onto the kitchen bench and took a chunk out of one this morning so I opened it up for her and she was so happy
Everything is going well

[Pajarita]

Talk to your parents about this and explain to them what you have learned here because I would assume that if the bird ends up with a bacterial infection caused by the bad bacteria in your sister's mouth, they will have to pay for the avian vet expenses so they need to be aware of the potential danger and cost of your sister's stubbornness.

[Chantilly]

Talk to your parents about this and explain to them what you have learned here because I would assume that if the bird ends up with a bacterial infection caused by the bad bacteria in your sister's mouth, they will have to pay for the avian vet expenses so they need to be aware of the potential danger and cost of your sister's stubbornness.

Ok thankyou Pajarita, I will