Pajarita wrote:Welcome to the forum and I am sorry your bird is not doing well.
Now, I doubt that the vet you saw is an avian vet or that it has enough experience in treating birds because no avian vet is going to confuse vomiting (which is what your bird did) with regurgitation. I also doubt that a real avian vet would have intubated a bird instead of doing a choanal swab (which would have given the same result without the trauma/danger of the intubation). Plus, there is no way he can say with any certainty that there is no fungal infection without doing a culture which takes five days. And, to close the deal, avian vets know better than to give an injection to a bird the size of a GCC (the muscle tissue damage is real bad and the smaller the bird, the more damage a needle does to them).
Going just by what you tell, I would say that he has an infection because, although you don't describe the weird smell, it's pretty much the only thing that causes their breath to smell bad. I would also say it's fungal because, although they can get a bacterial crop infection, 99% of the time, it's fungal. But, at this point in time, it could be both because once the immune system is depressed by a long term infection - and for your bird to have the symptoms you mention, he must have had this for quite some time even though you did not notice anything (I am not blaming you, mind you, birds hide symptoms and it requires a very experienced eye to see the subtle differences in their behavior, weight, etc).
It's not a lack of vitamin A (pellets have plenty of it), it's not the over-ripe raspberry (birds eat over-ripe and even rotten fruit all the time without a single consequence) and I doubt it's just a common virus but it could be PDD... I don't mean to scare you but this is a distinct possibility when you talk about a problem with the crop added to weight loss, lethargy and vomiting. And the injection this doctor gave him is a medicine used pretty much exclusively in birds with this terrible disease.
Personally, I would take him to a better vet and have a complete physical on him (meaning complete bloodwork) as well as have him tested for bornavirus (what causes PDD). And don't wait.
liz wrote:Welcome to the forum.
I am far from the most educated human slave to my birds. This is only an idea and may be corrected by another. To me it seems that he had a blockage and could only swallow water. I am not saying I am right just that the idea came to me when I read your post. When the vet used a tube for a sample he dislodged whatever was blocking the way.
If he is back to normal you can calm down for a while. Stay alert though. I would be afraid that it could be a future problem also.
Pajarita wrote:No, AAHA accreditation makes no difference (it's just a hospital or clinic accreditation, not a guarantee of any specific knowledge in the vet's part). You need to take your bird to an avian vet because what you consider normal might not be normal after all. We had a member here who had to put down a 5 month old bird from what the avian vet said was a problem he had from birth (hugely high levels of glucose). When I said that the bird must have had symptoms from the beginning (there is no two ways about this because all animals that have excessive sugar in the blood produce a very large amount of urine and drink a lot of water), he got very offended, insisted there had been no symptoms and left, never coming back. But the truth is that if you don't have any point of reference on what is normal and what is not, there is no way you can actually tell - not with birds. We can tell with dogs and cats because they are mammals and their body functions follow, more or less, the same parameters as humans but birds are completely different. Sheesh, even super experienced bird people miss symptoms all the time because the birds not only hide them and, if on top of that, you have not had the same species in the past, you really have no way of knowing what is good poop, behavior, energy level, etc.
Your bird did not regurgitate, he vomited. Regurgitation never happens when the bird is sick and it doesn't happen spontaneously, either. The birds want to regurgitate, they make it happen, it's not something that comes out of the blue - and it would never happen in a strange environment or with a stranger doing a physical evaluation. And, if he is pooping, there is no way he has a blockage, either.
Personally, I would take him to an avian vet for a complete physical even if I thought he was now back to normal because that bad smell, the vomiting and lethargy were caused by something and your vet did not do any real diagnostics. I know that he did a cytology but, for a fungal infection, you need to do a culture because although a cytology (this is a test that looks at cells under the microscope, basically) might show something, normal brewer's yeast and candida, for example, look the same under the microscope.
Best case scenario, he has candidiasis which is a bummer to cure properly but perfectly doable (and you would also have to revise your entire husbandry because birds only get fungal infections when they are stressed out to the point that their immune system is compromised). But worst case scenario he has PDD and this is fatal. There is no cure... the treatment is difficult and expensive and all it does is improve life quality for a while.
The polyoma vaccine is nothing but a gimmick UNLESS the breeder has breeding birds that were sick with it and have now become carriers -which we hope it's not the case with yours.
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