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Re: Hi everyone!

Postby TheMrsFoster » Thu Oct 16, 2014 7:11 am

OK. :) Here's what I did. I happened to be going to our local farm store to pick up our milk yesterday, so I checked out their grain section. I picked up a bag of long grain brown rice, a bag of exotic long grain mixed rice (brown black and red, their version of "exotic", I guess), and a bag of golden flax seed. Then I bought her kale greens, broccoli, carrots, apples, celery and cockatiel food. I compared the list of ingredients on the container of cockatiel food to the main ingredients Pajarita had given me for gloop and many of them are in there. I also picked up some calcium liquigels that I can mix in with her food to help supplement her diet. I'm pretty confident she's on a good path now, her appetite is definitely good and she's doing very well adjusting to her new sleep schedule. (So is the whole household....EVERYONE is sleeping better!! :D ) Next is spending more time out of her cage, because I don't think they kept her out much at all. We like to have her out as much as possible. We'd like to have her more accustomed to being out and being comfortable with it and not biting.
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Re: Hi everyone!

Postby Wolf » Thu Oct 16, 2014 9:18 am

I am not sure that she will be very cooperative about being out of her cage much more until she begins to lose interest in her eggs. However it is a simple thing to open the cage door and let her go in and out at will and it will also help you know when she starts losing interest in the eggs. What type of calcium is in the liquigels? She also needs vitamin D 3 so that she can absorb the calcium.
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Re: Hi everyone!

Postby Pajarita » Thu Oct 16, 2014 12:20 pm

I've never heard of avian calcium coming in liquidgels but things do change all the time when it comes to birds supplements so I guess it's possible.

The 'colorful' pellets are the worst pellets in the market so, please, don't feed her those. Birds like them because they are high in sugar but they are really bad for them. Also, maybe I did not explain myself properly but you are to avoid high oil, high protein seeds so no sunflowers and very little safflowers. Which cockatiel mix did you find that has the whole cereal grains I use in the gloop? Because I don't know of any and I would love to find out the brand for future reference. By the way, if I forgot to mention it, there is a product you can get in well-stocked supermarkets called Kashi 7 Whole Grains Pilaf that you can use for a quick gloop.

This time of the year you need to turn off the artificial lights at 4:45 pm and she will be fast asleep before 7 pm (uncovering her at 6 am is perfect but no lights on until 8am OK?). 8 pm is a vast improvement but she needs to go to sleep with the sunset for her endocrine system to go back on track.

I wasn't going to say anything but it has been bothering me non-stop since I read your posting when you said that her previous owner told you that she was 'a very expensive bird'. For one thing, a bird that has even plucked her primaries (you mentioned been afraid she might fall if she tries to fly due to her having no feathers) is a bird that has severe emotional issues because plucking contours (the round little feathers that cover their bodies) is one thing, but barbering (when the bite off the ends of the feathers) and/or plucking primaries (the long feathers in wings and tail that allow them to fly) is akin to suicide for a bird. She also must have physical issues because there is no way a parrot that has been eating a bad diet for so many years doesn't. So, no, she might have been expensive when she was first acquired as a baby but she no longer is - nobody would want to pay much for a plucked bird that has emotional and health issues and which is going to cost them hundreds and hundreds of dollars in vet bills as well as hours and hours of work, my dear. And, I have to tell you, I wish you would not have to return this poor bird to an owner that places the only value of a companion animal in dollars and cents.

Put a perch on the outside of her cage near the door and, if her cage is as large as it should be (small cages make them broody), you might need a second one so she can reach the top which should be above your eye level when you are standing next to it.
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Re: Hi everyone!

Postby TheMrsFoster » Fri Oct 17, 2014 2:06 pm

I'm sorry.....I'm not saying she doesn't have any feathers at all...she does!! :) She has all her long ones, it just appears she plucked a lot of her short ones. She's growing back in nicely though. The calcium I got for her does have Vitamin D3 in it, so she's getting that. I'm only giving her 2-3 of the colorful pellets a day now as a treat because she likes the crunch. She gets a mix of chopped carrots, broccoli, kale, celery, rice and flax seed for breakfast, then about a 1/2 to 3/4 c. of cockatiel seed for dinner. I keep the curtains open with the blinds half-open so when the sun comes up, the light comes in. Our household is up and moving between 6-6:30 am for school and work, so she gets uncovered and talked to (she's in the living room), but we try to limit how many lights are on and the noise. We are actually going to be putting a cable box and TV in our bedroom so that we can watch TV in our bedroom in the evenings so that if we're not tired when Filo and the girls are ready to go to bed for the night, we can just watch TV in our room. I was talking to my sister yesterday, and she hears how hard we're working to make our home a happy and healthy place for Filo to live and thrive, and she sees how well she's doing here.....I think she and her husband are going to let her stay. I told her that we would be absolutely ecstatic to be her "feath-ever" home, because we love her a lot! She's a part of our family. It's like she's always been here. :) And we've already decided to look into adopting. I never felt drawn to cats or dogs....but I've never known anyone with birds. I feel like I've found my niche! :)
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Re: Hi everyone!

Postby TheMrsFoster » Fri Oct 17, 2014 5:51 pm

First off...

<<<-------- That is my beautiful girl over there, she was preening for the camera. She tends to do that every time she sees a camera pointed at her. Immediately followed by her walking up and her head going side to side like, "What'cha got there? Can I check it out?" Does anyone know if there's a way to post a collection of pictures on here? I'd love to get other people's input on her feathers.
Anyway....So I started giving her that mix of fresh food every morning and the small amount of seed mix every late afternoon just before bedtime. Problem is, it looks like she's only eating the seeds and the fresh chop mix looks like it's going largely untouched (I even put a little chili powder in it to flavor it up a little since she seems to like spicy things, she goes nuts for the chili peppers in the mix she used to eat). Any ideas? Or just keep giving her the chop mix every day because she just has to get used to it?
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Re: Hi everyone!

Postby Wolf » Fri Oct 17, 2014 6:12 pm

As long as she is eating the seed mix in the evening the she will not starve, so I would continue with the chop just as you are doing. You could also take one ingredient that is in the chop and sit down with her at breakfast time and eat this ingredient in front of her making a big fuss about how good it is, while watching her reactions to this. When she finally gets interested enough she will want some of it, don't give it to her right away but make her work at telling you that she wants some of it and then give her a small taste of it.
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Re: Hi everyone!

Postby Pajarita » Sat Oct 18, 2014 10:55 am

Awwww, what a pretty girl! I am so glad that they would consider leaving her with you! People usually think that love is more than enough but they forget that to love is a verb and it implies action, not just feelings. The right kind of love is the one that puts work, time and resources into keeping the object of our affections healthy and happy.

Now, as to her diet, the problem is that you are feeding her way too many seeds. The night portion of seeds should be 1/4 cup, not 1/2 or 3/4 because the idea is for her not to starve but also not for her to get so full at night that she can wait until the following one. She needs to be hungry in the morning (hunger been the best sauce and this also been the largest meal of the day for birds in the wild) and you need to mix the chopped veggies with cooked whole grains or she will take years to start eating them. At the beginning, you should make it a mix of 25% veggies (use regular chopped broccoli, sweet corn and organic peas and carrots -these are everybirdie's favorites) VERY finely chopped (the only one that needs to be chopped at this point is the broccoli and you can get it already done -label says Chopped Broccoli -not florets and not broccoli pieces) sold in bags in the freezer section of the supermarketand 75% grains (and use large grains like kamut, wheat, oat groats, hulled barley -check the closest Whole Foods for them- and don't cook them until they are soft, make them a hard al dente), then sprinkle a teeny tiny bit of seeds on it and mix them in so she has to move the grains and veggies out of the way to reach all of them - this will make her taste the flavoring (try putting chili powder in the mix one day and a tiny bit of honey or maple syrup -not pancake syrup which is made with high fructose sugar and nasty stuff like that, the real one, pure maple syrup- and a tiny sprinkle of Ceylon cinnamon -not the 'regular' one that doesn't say Ceylon in front) and, eventually try one or two of them by mistake and, once she does, she will realize she likes them and start eating them. Once she starts (you will see something that looks like empty skins which is the outer covering of the cooked grains), stop mixing seeds in it and continue checking everyday to see if she is eating any of the veggies and, when she has been doing it for a week in a row, up the ratio to 50/50. Then, very gradually and very slowly, start adding other veggies like chopped kale (it needs to be organic as it's on the 'dirtiest' list), sweet potatoes (no veggie is more nutritious!), butternut squash (Whole Foods sells it frozen already cut in small cubes), etc. But don't get impatient and give up saying to yourself "I tried and she doesn't like it" because parrots need to learn what to eat and this is only easy when they are babies, once they are adults and set in their ways, it takes a long time and a lot of effort to get them to eat a good diet -I find grays to be pickier than other species.

It the calcium is a human one, don't use it, get the avian calcium and follow the instructions for diluting it to the letter. Too much calcium and vit D3 is as dangerous as too little.
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Re: Hi everyone!

Postby TheMrsFoster » Sat Oct 18, 2014 8:01 pm

My husband hit on the sprinkling a tiny bit of seeds on her chop mix today and that got her eating it. She ate just about the entire bowl (except the kale....she literally picked all of it out and threw it on the floor of her cage LOL) but she did eat all of the celery my daughter was giving her as a treat, so I'll let the kale slide just for today. ;) Hubby and I decided we're going to check out our local caged bird club meeting tomorrow afternoon and see if it's something we'd like to join. There's lots of opportunities through them for adopting too, so we'd like to look into that. Where can I get avian calcium? Calciboost is listed on Amazon (the only place I've been able to find it) as a human calcium supplement.
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Re: Hi everyone!

Postby TheMrsFoster » Sat Oct 18, 2014 8:07 pm

I found a Zoo Med Avian Calcium supplement. Is that a good one?
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Re: Hi everyone!

Postby Wolf » Sun Oct 19, 2014 2:29 am

I checked on zoo meds calcium supplement and you would also have to get a vitamin D3 supplement. Here is one link for Avian Calciboost http://www.allbirdproducts.com/newprodu ... boost.html

It already has vitamin D3 and magnesium to enhance calcium absorption.
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