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Re: Hello and Request for Help :)

Postby mikella » Wed Apr 15, 2015 6:08 pm

Great responses. Thank you. I'll be back tomorrow night! (exam in the morning)

(Another positive tidbit: He devoured mango today - I'd say he likes it as much as apple and grape. Other fruits he likes, but not obsessed. Enjoys fruit; not veggies. I'm going to lightly blend up veggies in his new batch of gloop. That should help sneak it in for now.)

Q: Could I be in any way causing Quigley to favour my husband? As in, since my husband gets the relax time with him at night? I've been focussed on my courses, so my time with him throughout the day is shorter bursts of time for the most part, but an hour of undivided attention in the morning. It's not a lot of nonstop ON ME time other than the hour. Maybe another hour before my husband gets home. And short trips with me here and there. My husband gets his "winding down" time from 4:00 on - a long stretch of time. I feel like Quigley just waits out the day and puts up with me until he gets home! I'm trying to not be too upset about it... but breaks my heart. He loves my husband. Very soon I will be able to just relax with him (less work to do)... but I feel like I may have damaged our relationship. He hates my hands. Yet, for the most part, he has no problem with my husband's. It makes me think I either did something wrong (maybe bc I'm with him all day every day and I'm the one he senses frustration from, or my stress), or that I have a bad energy that he doesn't like or something. :shock: :( Can I fix this? It hurts to see them interact. It's hard to not take it to heart. I know there's no way to know. But I like to torture myself with thinking.
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Re: Hello and Request for Help :)

Postby Wolf » Wed Apr 15, 2015 8:55 pm

I guess you really do like torturing yourself with thinking! It is not a very good practice, at least to my way of thinking and especially this one. Let us assume for just one minute that the basis of your concern is simple jealousy at the birds apparent choice of humans. If it is this then in time it will begin to cause you to see thing from that point of view and to interpret things not as they actually are but from the view of jealousy. Neither man nor bird nor even you can stand under that point of view.
Quigley is screwed up in the head from the hormones and his current choice in humans is subject to change just as my Kiki's point of view and choice of humans changed when her hormones subsided and she was able to be herself.
I also have Mimi an amazon that I have brought back from a state that can only be described as insanity. She still has a very long way to go but for the first time since she came here over a year ago I see hope for her to have a normal life. I have lived with her and the other birds nonstop for this period of time calming her in the middle of the night as well as during the day, encouraging her even at her worst. She has finally made her first choice in humans and believe me I am so happy that it was my Lady that she chose. It does mean that she interacts with me less than I would prefer but it is good for her and for my lady. At this time in our lives Mimi can help my Lady with some of her issues in ways that I only wish that I could. And in turn, my lady is giving love to Mimi and giving her a sense of security and encouragement that I can't because of Mimi seeing me with the other birds. Mimi gets a little jealous of the time that I give the others.
Both you and your husband are trying to give to this bird and are offering him different things according to your abilities and he probably needs the combined efforts of both of you to help stabilize him right now and I am sure that he has exacted a blood price from each of you for every little step that you have helped him to make. Don't let jealousy interfere with this you should be happy that this bird has a friend be it you or your husband. If you find that you absolutely need the bird to choose you then find a bird rescue and go and find the bird that chooses you from there and bring it home so that both of you get what you are looking for.
I may be off base with this, but am not all that sure that I am.
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Re: Hello and Request for Help :)

Postby mikella » Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:01 pm

Absolutely it's a selfish concern. My PRIMARY concern is for Quigley though. But I can't help but take it personally and feel "less than" in some way. Perhaps a female 'sensitive' thing. It's just hard to see my husband reap the 'rewards' - and me just to watch. Know what I mean? I know things will change over time. No, I don't NEED to be number one. I just need for him to like me... eventually haha I don't think he hates me. He certainly doesn't like my hands though. He just interacts differently with me and my husband. I find it odd and interesting.

I have only ever raised birds from babies, so we were very attached. This is very different for me.

Be back tomorrow!
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Re: Hello and Request for Help :)

Postby Wolf » Thu Apr 16, 2015 5:30 am

All of my birds came from poor situations as adults and had a lot of problems to deal with. Some of them are still dealing with problems from previous lives. So far all of them are proving to be one person birds, although I do try to discourage that, But friends that are willing to have 1/4 inch chunks of flesh ripped from their bodies, to help your birds understand that other people can be nice too, are few and far between. But, I do have three birds that I know would gladly die to protect me, how much closer can you ask?
I do all of the clean up, feeding, watering, vet expenses for the birds as well as 3 dogs and 7 cats, and I did have a brief period of " Hey; Don't I at least get a weekly be nice to the help visit?", When Kiki came. She was our first bird, and we knew nothing at all except that she was a parrot and that unless we took her in that she was going to die in a few hours. I did all the work and got all of the bites and my Lady got all the love from her. Three pounds of flesh and five ounces of blood later, I learned of the one person bird thing. A couple of months later and I got Kookooloo, my Grey, who was totally devoted to me at first sight.
The difference here is that first I did not know about birds and really had no expectations of them and for the most part all that mattered to me was that this pretty little demon bird did not have to die senselessly, so I was good with that. But you went into this looking for the bonding and the hoped for relationship, that is a big difference.
I still think that you and hubby should talk it over and then go find a rescue and the bird that chooses you, the bird that will bond to you right away. You will feel so much better and Quigley can bond to whoever without it bothering you as you will still have your very own special bird friend and the whole world will be a better place because of it. Think about it.
Just so you know, I drove for 9 hours one way to pick up a bird that needed a home that I never even saw a picture of, It is my smallest bird and I do not regret one minute of the drive.
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Re: Hello and Request for Help :)

Postby mikella » Thu Apr 16, 2015 6:15 pm

Just a quick reply for now again - will be back, hate typing on iPad.

...Is there a chance that he will never fully accept me? I had him with me for about 5 hours today... He hateshateshates my hands so I always have to keep them up my sleeves and he still bites them through my two layers of clothes, he lunges at my face at random times (always have my hood up but he goes for my cheek), I don't trust him enough to put my hood down at all at this point... My husband doesn't need to do any of this. Is there a chance it will always be like this? I'm the one that's with him 85% of the time..... That is the complicating factor. I'm home most of the time which was the reason I decided to finally have a bird again - I wanted to give a home to a bird that needed one, and I wanted a pal to keep me company.

If we had any rescues here, I certainly would have gone that route. I waited two years to find Quigley as it was. I know we haven't had him long, but it's the "not knowing" that really is hard... Not knowing if/how things will change. This is really difficult. It makes me happy to see him coming around (with hubby), but so devastated that he seems to hate me. And to have to see them interact right in front of me. Constant poke-in-the-heart reminder that I can't be that to him. My days with him are very very trying, it's hard living in my house right now and doing anything at all.... THEN to see how he is with my husband at the end of the day... You know?

I love Quigley, but this is hard on my heart.
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Re: Hello and Request for Help :)

Postby Wolf » Thu Apr 16, 2015 10:06 pm

I don't have a GCC and I know that they are very affectionate birds, I know that if he stays the course and keeps your husband as his special person after his hormones settle down that there is still no guarantee that he will be the bird that you were hoping that he would be. While it is possible that he will become more affectionate to you when your husband is not there, I know that it is not the same. And it is for this reason and watching you express what your desires are that I started suggesting that you try to find the bird that will fit you.
I am not suggesting that you rehome Quigley and don't feel that it would be right to do that, but don't deny what it is that you are looking for or try to make due. I think you would all be happier and healthier, as far as relationships go, to become a two bird home, and find your special bird.
I do not know if anyone else would agree with me on this and I don't really care, I am just trying to be honest with you with what I am seeing happen here.
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Re: Hello and Request for Help :)

Postby Pajarita » Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:12 am

Oh, my dear, of course we understand! All of us want to be their number one choice. And, yes, it is hard on the heart to see a bird that you want to love so very much choose somebody else... But, unfortunately, it's parrots nature to be this way. A dog will love whoever loves him but not a parrot. Parrots will love whoever they want to love and, sometimes, there is no apparent reason for their choice but there you have it! It is what it is with them. And, again, unfortunately, there is no way to tell if he will change his allegiance to you. He very well might. Personally, I think that he is not biting your husband so much because he put up with his bites and kept him with him for long periods of time. I think that, maybe, he might have made the comparison in his head that you kept him in his cage for some time while keeping him company by just been in the same room while he got to be out all the time when your husband was home. I am not criticizing you for this decision, mind you. You were getting all kinds of different advices at the time, he was VERY aggressive, you were overwhelmed and afraid of him and, without been able to establish different degrees of expertise, you chose the advice that sounded the best at the time. Not that it was bad advice, per se! But people try to help by giving advice based on what they know and, sometimes, they forget or don't realize that the species they are giving the advice on will not react the same as the species they have experience with... Personally, I think he will stop biting and he will have a better relationship with you. I also think that the fat lady hasn't sung yet on who he is going to end up choosing as his human. Furthermore and at least on my personal experience, I have found GCCs to be more flexible than other species when it comes to been nice to a number of people because the only one that never quite 'went' to anybody else but me was Boca, a male that had been abused and who had found a mate in my house - the other three went to everybody they knew, even my grandchildren (and I don't trust just ANY bird with other people, much less my grandkids!).

Here are Pichu and Boca on me:

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And here is Pichu first with Andres and then with Larissa, two of my grandchildren:

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You really need to wait until he is feeling more comfortable and non-hormonal because, maybe, during resting season, he will begin to love you (parrots are pragmatic and although they might prefer a specific person, they will love the one they are with, too) but, on the other hand, he might never be 'your' bird. And there is nothing short of divorcing your husband and keeping the bird only with you that will change this because, even if you try to keep the bird and your husband separate, he will know when he is in the house and pine for him. I have a Timneh gray who lives in the birdroom with the other birds. She chose my husband from day one and, in the 8 or 9 years I've had her, she has never switched her preference to me even though she goes days and days and even weeks at a time without seeing my husband. But, every single day he is home (he works in another state and often stays in a hotel there for a few days at a time), she waits hanging from the molding on the door and, as soon as I open it, out she goes like a bat out of hell flying all over the house looking for him. And he doesn't even like parrots! The only reason why he tolerates her perching on him for 5 to 10 minutes is because I make him feel so guilty about it. Now, I have no issues with her. She will not bite me or anything and will come to me when I call her (only she always perches on the top of my head), do piquito piquito and even deign to give me a kiss every once in a blue moon but, if it was up to her, she would be with him all the time!

Getting another parrot could be a solution to your wounded heart but I would wait on such a decision because it's not guaranteed to work and you would have to be very, very careful about selecting the bird. You cannot do a CL adoption, you both would have to go to a rescue and spend time with all the birds there and see which one chooses you and not your husband. Now, if I had to recommend a particular bird, I would have Quigley DNA'd to make sure he is, indeed, a boy and see if I could find a sweet little adult GCC female that likes me because, this way, you are would be making both Quigley and yourself happy. BUT this could also mean he gets protective of the hen...

I tell you, parrots are SOOOOO complex and difficult to keep healthy and happy, it's no wonder almost all of them end up been rehomed...
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Re: Hello and Request for Help :)

Postby Pajarita » Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:13 am

I guess the photos were too large but I don't know how to crop them...
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Re: Hello and Request for Help :)

Postby Wolf » Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:31 pm

Hey Pajarita, would you like me to see if I can help with the photos?
Everything that Pajarita has said is valid and is exactly where I have been coming from for all of this topic and I am still in agreement with it. I have also been watching what you have said and seeing the effect of all of this on you, so I thought to express this as well as a possible solution for this, one that would work for all concerned, that is you, your husband and Quigley.
I want all of you to have the best possible life together and if any resentment develops this will mar the relationships, which I don't want. I waited with Kiki and she finally chose me, but the truth of that was that she came here all by herself, We knew nothing about parrots and All I was hoping for was for her to quit eating me alive, it did not matter to me who she chose.
I do not know what is best for you, but feel that with what I see that I would have been wrong to not suggest the possibility of two birds. From there it is up to you.
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Re: Hello and Request for Help :)

Postby mikella » Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:37 pm

I feel miserable about all of this.
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