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Re: New here from Northern New Jersey

Postby Wolf » Mon May 11, 2015 12:38 pm

Well if you make the videos public and paste a link to them here we can watch them and see what we think.
There are so many possibilities as to why your new friend is biting, starting with his vision issue and from there it could be that he is hormonal or it could be related to something that previous humans did or he could just be mad because something is different enough that he is at a loss on how to deal with it or simply that he doesn't yet trust you enough. I would think that in most cases that it would take him longer to give his trust to you just because of his vision issue.
I really like to gather as much information as I can, although this is generally not possible before I say much. What was he being fed at the shelter that he is throwing out and was he actually eating it before?
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Re: New here from Northern New Jersey

Postby Maryellen » Mon May 11, 2015 5:01 pm

I use my iPhone to post so i dont know how to put videos up this way. The shelter gave me bags of his food to take home and told me what to order, they said he does throw the food aroubd. I got him food from mysafebirdstore.com .
I know it takes more time but i was wondering what i was doing wrong . I think it might be a combo of prior home his whole life then a shelter then me.. Its a lot to digest in his brain the big changes.
I take him out every night using a perch, and i try to interact with him by talking. Giving treats, whistking and trying to let him know I'm friendly.
It could be the hormones molting new home all combined..
The videos are just of him being him... He gets curious about me when i dont look at him thats when he steps closer to see what I'm all about.
I dont try to hold him or have him step up on my hand yet i use a spare perch to handle him right now.
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Re: New here from Northern New Jersey

Postby Wolf » Mon May 11, 2015 8:26 pm

If you open the cage door and back off will he climb out on his own? I learned that when I watch my birds it is best to do it as glances or from the corners of my eyes and not straight on which is the way a predator looks at them. I sure that he watches you and is more secure if he thinks you don't see him, that ties in with how I watch my own birds.
Is the food that you got from the rescue what he was eating before the rescue? What are you currently feeding him?
Sometimes it is not something that you are doing or not doing.
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Re: New here from Northern New Jersey

Postby Maryellen » Tue May 12, 2015 3:13 am

I dont know what he was eating at his previous home unfortunately. The rescue fed him veggies,fruit, nuts, and bagged food from mysafebirdstore.com like Madagascar mix, bountiful harvest, roudybush California blend pellets,and a few more different food from mysafebirdstore.com
I was told to not give him seed , that a little seed in the bag mixes was ok but to keep it to a minimum, and to limit Sugar intake..
They gave me a few bags of what he are at the shelter and i bought what i was told to buy for him. I also give him cooked veggies. But he pretty much kicks all food out of his bowls and only eats a few items.
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Re: New here from Northern New Jersey

Postby Maryellen » Tue May 12, 2015 5:01 am

If I don't look at him he moves closer to where i am. If i open his big cage he wont come out on his own. If i use a perch to take him out and put him in small cage to bring to bedroom and open smal cage door he will come out on his own in the smaller cage
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Re: New here from Northern New Jersey

Postby Pajarita » Tue May 12, 2015 10:52 am

Well, that food is not good in my personal opinion... you are talking dried corn, soybean meal, salt, sugar, gelatin, raw nuts, most likely sulfured dried fruit (they are not listed as 'unsulfured' which they would be if they were), propylene glycol, etc. I would not feed them to my birds, much less free-feed them. And, I'll be honest with you, I still worry about his liver and cholesterol levels... did you get actual copies of the blood work results or was the 'his liver is fine' just a verbal assurance given to you?
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Re: New here from Northern New Jersey

Postby Maryellen » Tue May 12, 2015 5:40 pm

How is the food not good? It is for parrots at www.mysafebirdstore.com its no salt no sugar no additives.... He wont eat the roudybush California blend pellets he just kicks them out of the dish.
On the website he gets the Madagascar blend, bountiful harvest blend, dr Harvey's seedless blend as treats, golden gourmet large hookbill , golden gourmet taste of Central America, avi cakes as a treat, spinach, baby greens, peas, green beans, bananas, apples, oranges,grapes. Most of the food he tosses out or takes one bite then tosses. The carrots and other fruits that have natural sugar are given very sparingly.
The rescue gave me the list of what he ate so i am buying what they said to use.

I never got any paperwork on his liver or any vet paperwork. I got his papers from the pet store he was bought from 23 years ago and the one vet bill from23 years ago that was it.
What am i supposed to feed him if all the food i was told to feed isnt goid?
The bird store food is no salt no chemicals.. You can go on their website and see the food .
Maryellen
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Re: New here from Northern New Jersey

Postby Wolf » Tue May 12, 2015 6:02 pm

I just returned from a 4 hour drive to the avian vets closest to me and I will go and look at the foods that you are giving him and get back to you in a little bit.
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Re: New here from Northern New Jersey

Postby Maryellen » Tue May 12, 2015 7:29 pm

I also printed out online info on poi's and feed him food on the list too..
I am soo confused. I was told minimum seed and to feed more pellets and the bagged foods plus fresh veggies etc... I thought i was doing it right :(

He wont eat any pelkets( I've left a bowl of pellets in his cage for three days and he kicked it all out a little each day. He has a bowl of pellets and a bowl of the other stuff in his cage and i mix it up with fresh food too in a 3rd bowl, I'm following the instructions from the rescue and what i found online when i googled poi diet

Help....
Maryellen
Rufus CGC, ATTS, Therapy Dog
Sadie ATTS
Maryellen
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Gender: This parrot forum member is female
Posts: 35
Location: Northern New Jersey
Number of Birds Owned: 1
Types of Birds Owned: female cockateil ( a year old in july)
Flight: Yes

Re: New here from Northern New Jersey

Postby Wolf » Wed May 13, 2015 12:17 am

You are definitely not sparing the expense in trying to feed your bird, as most of their foods are no different, in my opinion, than most other sites, but are two and three times the cost. I am not favorably impressed with this sites offerings.
I have 6 birds of 5 different species of parrots they are a parrotlet, a pair of budgies, a Senegal, a Grey and an Amazon. I do not claim to be any type of expert or anything remotely resembling one. All of my parrots eat the same foods except for the seed mix that is used for their dinners.
I feed my birds first thing in the morning a couple of fresh, raw vegetables, a fruit and a fresh leafy green. Then about an hour later I feed them a cooked mixture od whole grains, cooked mixed vegetables, and cooked white beans and lentils sometimes I add a little pasta to it, we call this food gloop and they are given sufficient amount of the fresh foods and gloop to last them all day long and then they receive a seed mix for dinner which I remove after they go to sleep for the night.
I went this route in feeding my birds as I am not a big fan of soy products, sugar or all of the artificial additives in most of the commercially available foods on the market today. I pick up most of the ingredients when I shop for my food at the grocery store. I pick up the rest at the local health food store. I do order the seed mixes from online as the only pet store in my area over charges for the same seed mixes. Being on a fixed income I can't afford to waste the little money that I have. The batches of gloop that I make last me about 3 weeks, I separate it into containers that last about 4 days and keep one out in the refridgerator and freeze the rest. Although this does not save me any time, it does actually save me a lot of money and I don't have any unwanted stuff in their food and the variety provides for my birds to have adequate nutrition.
I fully understand your confusion and frustration as I was in the same boat for the longest time and the more that I read and studied about avian nutrition the worse it got because I just could not find an adequate food in the existing food offerings. This diet has solved this problem for me.
Pellets are basically dried, ground up seeds plus soy and other artificial additives and I am not a big fan of them and the birds have evolved to shell their seeds and mine seem to really enjoy this simple act of shelling their seeds. as well as their whole grains.
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