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[Navre]

That's sad.

[Wolf]

I am so very sorry to read about the loss of Juliet. I am so glad to know that you had tried to convince her owner to feed her a healthy diet, it is not your fault that they did not listen sooner. I am saying this because I think that I know how you must be feeling and want you to know that you did the best that you could. Despite our best efforts to help, others do not always listen.
It is good that Sammy is in a different room than your Baylee. I am of the opinion that all birds that come in should be kept in a quarantine from your own birds as it is safer. I was looking at Sammy's picture and I don't believe that I have ever seen a bird that looked so, how do I say it, wooly, that it, wooly. Could this be the result of malnutrition? You said that he does not eat seeds, may I inquire just what his diet consists of. Perhaps we can be of assistance to you with his diet. I can't tell you what to do about his situation regarding his owner, you must follow the dictates of your heart and mind in that matter, although I do hope that it turns out for the best.

[Crazy4parrots]

Well he will be here 15 days! His diet consist of fruits & veggies, carrots, kale,broccoli, papaya, watermelon, corn, green bell pepper, red bell pepper,banana, orange. raisins ( i use them as treats), arucula,etc.
my mom told me that i could ask Sammy's owner to give him to me in 5 years after i graduate from vet school, she says im more responsible as a pet owner than his owner. Lets hope he can make it that long with his owner from what she says he chose her but she is afraid of his beak and he bites her, and she told dont take him out cause he bites, i have done it and he doesnt bite at all he is a total sweetheart!! Difference is im not afraid of his beak!
Also i have asked in other forum if this is normal i was told it is but i dont know, sometimes is one wing other times is both...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQq1RwgEg0c
Wooly is that bad?

[Wolf]

Honestly, I can't say for certain, but I have never seen any bird look like that. Most birds have nice smooth, shiny feathers and his are not. I know that I don't think he is healthy, but I don't have any conures to compare him to.
Birds flick their wings for many reasons such as to readjust their feathers, they also sometimes do it to express annoyance about something, but to me this does not appear to be normal wing flicking. We do have several other members that have many different types of conures who may be able to provide a better opinion about this, than I can.
Just as an added help, I would also post the other video of Sammy's wing flicking as I saw that one as well on the other forum. I did not want to cause a problem there with my opinion against all of the others, but was thinking about what to do because you don't have enough posts to use their private messaging service. So I am glad that you found this site and I could answer more freely. I will admit at the same time that the other forum is one of my more favored ones to go to, but I am on this one several times most days.

[Crazy4parrots]

Thank You Wolf!! Also his poop is normal in colour but doesnt have a form!! Here is the other video!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXhT2by-tKY
Wolf- I do have enough posts to PM in the other forum
Also i have noticed he dont clean his beak but i have read this is a learned behaviour so maybe he didnt learned as he was hand fed since a very young age!( 1 month old)

[Pajarita]

Sammy's diet is no good, there is no protein or fat in it and both are needed to sustain life so, if she keeps on feeding him like that, he will die.

He looks 'wooly' because he is 'sitting low' (almost crouching) on the perch and is semi-fluffed (both signs of disease). The wing flicking (yes, that is what it is) is, usually, a symptom of inadequate diet in ekkies (as is his diarrhea) but I've never seen it in any other species. He needs to go to an avian vet as soon as possible - that bird is NOT well. It could be metal poisoning (the cage is not a parrot cage but a passerine painted one).

Juliet could not have died of liver failure because you see symptoms way before they actually die of it (yellow or green urates, overgrown beak and nails, instability, confusion, lethargy, etc). And, even though she only ate seeds for 4.5 years and, most likely, her liver and kidneys were already affected, the way she died indicates another cause.

[Crazy4parrots]

Sammy's diet is no good, there is no protein or fat in it and both are needed to sustain life so, if she keeps on feeding him like that, he will die.

He looks 'wooly' because he is 'sitting low' (almost crouching) on the perch and is semi-fluffed (both signs of disease). The wing flicking (yes, that is what it is) is, usually, a symptom of inadequate diet in ekkies (as is his diarrhea) but I've never seen it in any other species. He needs to go to an avian vet as soon as possible - that bird is NOT well. It could be metal poisoning (the cage is not a parrot cage but a passerine painted one).

Juliet could not have died of liver failure because you see symptoms way before they actually die of it (yellow or green urates, overgrown beak and nails, instability, confusion, lethargy, etc). And, even though she only ate seeds for 4.5 years and, most likely, her liver and kidneys were already affected, the way she died indicates another cause.

Cage is Stainless Steel Vision Cage M01. I have housed other birds (not conures) in that same cage and hadnt had problems at all..in the 4 years i has had the cage. And he has only been 5 days in that cage. I doubt its the cage and also his food bowl is SS too! And the toy he have its SS too. From what i understand broccoli is high in protein, same for kale.

I did saw but only yesterday yellow urates, she died from the following form... lethargy, confusion, inestability, she had her left side completely paralized!! then in a minute the other side too she begun twitching around...arched her body,flapped her wings, lack appetite too but all symptoms were acute and showed yesterday like that. She was wild not hand tame and the fact i could grab her just like if she was, was NOT normal!

[Pajarita]

OK but what kind of cage does he have at home?

Broccoli has 4% protein and kale has 3.5%, which is VERY low for a bird but, even if it was enough in terms of percentages, neither has 'complete' protein so they have A LOT of essential amino acids missing. And no fat - without fat, you can't absorb certain vitamins.

The symptoms for liver failure last for months and months -did she have them that long or just the day before she died? Also, if she had strokes, it wasn't the liver that was causing them.

[Crazy4parrots]

OK but what kind of cage does he have at home?

Broccoli has 4% protein and kale has 3.5%, which is VERY low for a bird but, even if it was enough in terms of percentages, neither has 'complete' protein so they have A LOT of essential amino acids missing. And no fat - without fat, you can't absorb certain vitamins.

The symptoms for liver failure last for months and months -did she have them that long or just the day before she died? Also, if she had strokes, it wasn't the liver that was causing them.

His cage at home is 2ftx1ftx1ft cage but i dont know the material (i think is painted in black). Good to know that without fat you cant absorb some vitamins.. What would be a good diet for a conure? could the diarrhea be because of a bad diet?

Just the night before she died she pooped yellowish and yesterday morning she was in the bottom of the cage. I saw the poop yesterday in the morning as i change & clean the bottom tray every night before covering them. So the night before poops looked normal & i cleaned it! Yesterday morning when i uncovered them i saw her poops were yellowish.
I think it was the diet, before the diet change owner admitted to me that she had been giving the lovies & budgies seeds, oatmeal & rice and that was it & that she has been giving sammy oatmeal & rice, but noticed his feathers were getting ugly so she begun giving him (just Sammy) veggies & fruits.
2 weeks ago she had Tony (lovie) he had no feathers at all his feathers fell at the age of 6 months old and he was 2 years and had no feathers only his down feathers. This bird was in contact with Juliet about 6 months ago and 3 months ago she lost her tail.

[Crazy4parrots]

I think that if Sammy is sick/ill from something its a bad diet thats what i think it is!