Hellooo

[Crazy4parrots]

I told you that he was bonding with you and it was for this reason more than any other that I kept saying that he needed to stay with you. At first it was due to the neglect and poor husbandry that was my reason, but that changed as I read about the manner in which he was responding to you. Now he is back in the place that he has such terrible memories of and he has bonded with you and he wants to come home. He will soon start experiencing depression and begin the grieving process and you will need to make a herd choice. You will have to bring him home and figure out how you are going to go to school and keep two birds or you are going to have to quit seeing him until you are done with school. This is so that he can finish the grieving process and move on. If you do not do one or the other, he will keep going into the depression and restart the grieving process every time that you visit him and don't bring him home.

As hard as this is, you need to understand that any bond formed by an adult parrot is actually a mate bond and that mated parrots spend nearly all of their time together and when they don't it is because the missing one is dead, at least that is how the bird sees it because that is the way that it is in the wild, their natural habitat. So if you are gone for much longer than normal, he thinks you are dead and starts the grieving process. It is an extremely stressful time for them and not all of them are able to move on and they just continue to grieve and become permanently despondant.

I cant my mom begged the residence owner to let me keep Baylee!! And i dont have an extra cage there, only a small cage for Baylee (the only one Residence owner accepted!) My mom refuses to look for him while im gone! But can a parrot bond in 21 days? o.o So you say it wouldnt be fair to him to see him and then leave him behind? Also he used to be bonded to his owner he chased away any human male away from her. I think its more like he feels angry with her because he feels she abandoned him when she left him in my house cause when she left him he called her all the time and was very antxy & nervous the first 2 days. So maybe he is just angry at her for leaving him behind. He threw his water bowl at her today XD

[liz]

I know my methods are much different than most others, but I disagree. Birds are smarter and understand more than most people understand. Bye bye is easily learned. Example: I put my purse on my shoulder and Rambo asked "whath'a doin". I answered "I am leaving you". His response was "BYE".

He believes "'Gran'ma" went bye bye and just did not come back. My daughter is his number 1 so when she took a job that kept her away for a week at a time he was really upset and kept calling her. I told him she went bye bye and he stopped calling her. He was so excited when she came home. When she left again I told her to make sure Rambo knows you are going bye bye. He did not call for her while she was gone. When she was gone for 3 weeks he kind of gave up on her and came back for me to be number 1. He was excited to see her when she came back. Even a 3 month separation, which has been common with this dysfunctional move, he might ask where she is but when I say she is bye bye he settles down.

To me his response to her absence is better than a 2 year old kid. The rest of us are just the care takers for when she is gone.

[Wolf]

Well for all practical purposes, Kookooloo, my CAG bonded with me the instant that she saw me. Who know for certain how long it takes a parrot to bond with either another bird or with a human? I think the issue may be more of how deeply they can bond in what length of time. Still, you are there, you watch his actions and decide for yourself, I can only say what I see and feel about this. Each circumstance is as unique as the bird involved in it and Sammy was very sick when he came to your home and you helped him feel much better. For a bird that is a pretty extreme occurrence especially when you consider what he was going through. Parrots are intelligent and Sammy is no different in that respect and it would be really strange for him to not know the difference in treatment that he received or to not expect him to respond in some way to it.

As for Sammy being mad at the girl who owns him, Yes I agree that he probably is mad at her and he has plenty of reason to be mad at her. Stay away long enough for him to rebond with her if you want to, but I think that you will find that it will never be the same again, he has seen the difference. There is nothing scientific about what I am saying and I am fully aware that what I am saying is not the norm, but neither were the circumstances involved in your caring for him. There are likely plenty of good reasons to reject what I am saying and I can not argue against them, but I don't think that I am wrong about this. You are there, you do what you think is best and you decide if what I said has merit or not. For my part, I have shared what I think and I will leave that part of it alone.

[Pajarita]

I agree with Wolf. Parrots that were not treated right (and mind you, this doesn't mean they were not loved, only that the husbandry was lacking) usually respond very well and fast to the new human that makes their life more pleasant. He was a sick little boy when he came to you, you made him feel better and loved him so he responded to this.

I also agree with Wolf that he now needs to re-bond with his owner because seeing you every now and then will only make things harder on him. He will be super happy every time he sees you and heartbroken every time you leave and this is not good for him. He will grieve for you but he is physically stronger than he was before and he will be getting better care from his owner so he will get over you in time. I know it's not what you want to hear (I wouldn't want to hear it, either) but we must do what is best for them.

[Crazy4parrots]

I agree with Wolf. Parrots that were not treated right (and mind you, this doesn't mean they were not loved, only that the husbandry was lacking) usually respond very well and fast to the new human that makes their life more pleasant. He was a sick little boy when he came to you, you made him feel better and loved him so he responded to this.

I also agree with Wolf that he now needs to re-bond with his owner because seeing you every now and then will only make things harder on him. He will be super happy every time he sees you and heartbroken every time you leave and this is not good for him. He will grieve for you but he is physically stronger than he was before and he will be getting better care from his owner so he will get over you in time. I know it's not what you want to hear (I wouldn't want to hear it, either) but we must do what is best for them.

Well yeah you right... he is now eating his food..owner ask me all questions... what he is still doing is screaming...loud..but im leaving tomorrow morning so wont see him at least until march.

[Wolf]

Wishing you all the best. try and keep us informed.

[liz]

Give theparrotforum information to the care giver. That person can tap into the information and ask questions if they need to.

[Crazy4parrots]

Give theparrotforum information to the care giver. That person can tap into the information and ask questions if they need to.

She doesnt know english... so thats why she ask me instead and if i dont know i'll ask for her here or in the other forum.

[Wolf]

Well we have members from all over the world and I think that Pajarita may speak Spanish, I can see if I can find a translation program to help.

[Pajarita]

Yes, of course I speak Spanish. I was born and raised in Uruguay so, please, give her the site and tell her to post her questions in Spanish and I will both translate her questions and the answers from other members as well as answer them myself.