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Re: Hellooo

Postby Pajarita » Wed Dec 23, 2015 7:38 am

OK, peeling an apple or cooking the carrots does nothing for the chemicals (the carrot is a root so they are absorbed into it and the apple peel is so thin that they go right through it into the skin). Personally, I don't feed them everything organic but the 12 worst ones I always do and any other stuff that I can get at a reasonable price so, for example, all the greens are always organic even though all of them don't appear on the list (well, except the broccoli which is actually on the 12 safest list).

The medicine you referred to is an antibiotic. An old fashioned one that has fallen into disuse for birds because of the better ones they have come up with lately and also because it has more side-effects than the new ones but an antibiotic nonetheless. See here:
https://www.healthwarehouse.com/sulfame ... ctrim.html

Yes, all handfed birds love to eat from a syringe. It's actually one of the ways one can tell if a wild-caught was handfed or not. And, although I think that Wolf's idea of giving them something in a syringe every now and then is great, I don't find it necessary because, even when they don't get it all the time, they seem to always remember and, as soon as they see it, they want it.

Now, eating (or trying to eat) its own poop is a sign of malnutrition so, please, give those birds a good vitamin/mineral supplement because they obviously need it badly.
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Re: Hellooo

Postby Crazy4parrots » Wed Dec 23, 2015 9:48 am

Pajarita wrote:OK, peeling an apple or cooking the carrots does nothing for the chemicals (the carrot is a root so they are absorbed into it and the apple peel is so thin that they go right through it into the skin). Personally, I don't feed them everything organic but the 12 worst ones I always do and any other stuff that I can get at a reasonable price so, for example, all the greens are always organic even though all of them don't appear on the list (well, except the broccoli which is actually on the 12 safest list).

The medicine you referred to is an antibiotic. An old fashioned one that has fallen into disuse for birds because of the better ones they have come up with lately and also because it has more side-effects than the new ones but an antibiotic nonetheless. See here:
https://www.healthwarehouse.com/sulfame ... ctrim.html

Yes, all handfed birds love to eat from a syringe. It's actually one of the ways one can tell if a wild-caught was handfed or not. And, although I think that Wolf's idea of giving them something in a syringe every now and then is great, I don't find it necessary because, even when they don't get it all the time, they seem to always remember and, as soon as they see it, they want it.

Now, eating (or trying to eat) its own poop is a sign of malnutrition so, please, give those birds a good vitamin/mineral supplement because they obviously need it badly.

Ok well the hand fed birds i has had after fully weaned in the right way ignored the serynge totally after been weaned!! Should i give him some formula? It have vitamins in it! It might help him..
Yay he is beginning to clean his beak!
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Re: Hellooo

Postby Crazy4parrots » Wed Dec 23, 2015 10:05 am

Just discovered he is blind on his left eye he is cleaning his beak on the right side and not on the left side...vision loss can be due to malnutrition.. :(
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Re: Hellooo

Postby Pajarita » Wed Dec 23, 2015 10:29 am

I don't like handfeeding formula for adult birds, it's way too rich for them. I would much rather give them a good diet and a vitamin/mineral supplement every day at the beginning and then less and less often as they get to eat the right kind of food than feed them formula.

I don't know about your birds but all the ones I've had and still have that were handfed go crazy when they see a syringe - even birds that are over 30 years old! I think they associate it with comfort and love... The only ones that don't like it are the ones that were gavage fed and that's just because they don't recognize it as a medium for food, warmth and comfort.
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Re: Hellooo

Postby Crazy4parrots » Wed Dec 23, 2015 11:27 am

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Re: Hellooo

Postby Crazy4parrots » Wed Dec 23, 2015 11:36 am

Pajarita wrote:I don't like handfeeding formula for adult birds, it's way too rich for them. I would much rather give them a good diet and a vitamin/mineral supplement every day at the beginning and then less and less often as they get to eat the right kind of food than feed them formula.

I don't know about your birds but all the ones I've had and still have that were handfed go crazy when they see a syringe - even birds that are over 30 years old! I think they associate it with comfort and love... The only ones that don't like it are the ones that were gavage fed and that's just because they don't recognize it as a medium for food, warmth and comfort.

Baylee wasnt hand fed but Kiwi was and yeah he would go crazy about the syringe! Whatever it had! After fully weaned he simply refused formula. But the others chicks i raosed nope they wamted nothing to do with the syringe and i raised them with lots of tlc! i hand raised them from week #1 cause momma refused to raise them. I had to intervene.
Ok so i wont hand feed him formula i will give him diluted vitamins with filtered water in the syringe... he is screaming more! So he feels better!
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Re: Hellooo

Postby Crazy4parrots » Wed Dec 23, 2015 9:08 pm

Took him to the vet today she doesnt think its HMP she thinks its bad diet.. given that his owner spent last year feeding him only rice & oatmeal. A month after she begun giving him that he begun flicking his wings his diarreah is gone. He still flick his wings. He is getting extra vitamins.
He is trying to talk..yesterday he didnt wanted to go to bed and kept screaming whenever i said goodnight. Lol! Today he screamed Saaa like trying to say sammy! Awwww :heart::shy:
Also Baylee wouldnt stop screaming until he also had his evening treats! :heart: i served hers 1st she checked her bowl heard Sammy screaming she stopped eating until i gave him his treat dish! :eek: then all was quiet and peace for 10 minutes lol!
What does it means she screamed until i gave him his treat dish? She cant see him so i dont understand why she stopped eating to wait until he had his treat... o.o she didnt do that with Kiwi.

if his liver had damage his poop would be a different colour also vets here dont test for hmp but does blood tests and look for other signs of illness vet said he doesnt have those other signs like convulsions...he doesnt have balance problems, he eats well and drinks water normally.
also his lack of vision on left eye was confirmed. Vet said he does see shadows but nothing more on the left eye.
Blood work confirmed infection but wbc arent soo high...means antibiotics are working! :D his are in 12 and max is 9. Vet say that when he had diarreah probably it was way higher! But diarreah is under control now!
No parasites, X-ray confirmed there is a minor upper respiratory infection too & in his urine too no way to know which one was first but vet heard noises in his lungs, vet said for now antibiotics will be for 7 days but if on 6th day i still hear a noise (she showed me how to hear it) to extend it to 10 days. Thankfully he so far isnt having hard time to breath, he got no mites in fact she said his feathers arent in bad shape despite all he has been through. He does have bronzing in his tail feathers and some of his wings but overall vet thinks he looks OK.
Here is the link to a youtube video i took today! https://youtu.be/HqwUhgUjMMQ
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Re: Hellooo

Postby Wolf » Wed Dec 23, 2015 11:07 pm

Glad to hear that Sammy saw the doctor and that heavy metal poisoning was ruled out. Yes, the poop would normally be greenish or yellowish if his liver is damaged very much, but a lot of that can also be hidden by the colors of the fruits and vegetables he eats, but I wasn't really thinking that he was suffering from either of those any way. Still you really can't be to careful. I am glad to learn that most of his problems can be addressed by giving him a good diet. That is what I thought in the first place. Thanks for getting him checked out as it was really the best thing to do because this way we know what needs to be taken care of.
On a different note, if you can place his cage higher something like the highest perch in the cage being close to eye level when you stand next to the cage, Sammy will be more secure and relaxed as being on the floor or down low is a dangerous place for them. They instinctively try to find high places to perch especially if alone because they feel safer and less stressed.
I know that you are trying to give us a good view of Sammy, but it would help us to actually see him if the light is coming from behind you when you take a picture or video of him.
I can't really say why Baylee is answering Sammy's contact calls and did not answer Kiwi's calls, unless she knew that Kiwi was really very sick. They do tend to reject the very sick and weak and kick them out of the flock as it helps to keep the flock as a whole safer.
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Re: Hellooo

Postby Crazy4parrots » Wed Dec 23, 2015 11:46 pm

Wolf wrote:Glad to hear that Sammy saw the doctor and that heavy metal poisoning was ruled out. Yes, the poop would normally be greenish or yellowish if his liver is damaged very much, but a lot of that can also be hidden by the colors of the fruits and vegetables he eats, but I wasn't really thinking that he was suffering from either of those any way. Still you really can't be to careful. I am glad to learn that most of his problems can be addressed by giving him a good diet. That is what I thought in the first place. Thanks for getting him checked out as it was really the best thing to do because this way we know what needs to be taken care of.
On a different note, if you can place his cage higher something like the highest perch in the cage being close to eye level when you stand next to the cage, Sammy will be more secure and relaxed as being on the floor or down low is a dangerous place for them. They instinctively try to find high places to perch especially if alone because they feel safer and less stressed.
I know that you are trying to give us a good view of Sammy, but it would help us to actually see him if the light is coming from behind you when you take a picture or video of him.
I can't really say why Baylee is answering Sammy's contact calls and did not answer Kiwi's calls, unless she knew that Kiwi was really very sick. They do tend to reject the very sick and weak and kick them out of the flock as it helps to keep the flock as a whole safer.

Kiwi wasnt sick Baylee did answered his contact calls but didnt saw him as mate potential (cause im her mate) Kiwi didnt died of sickness.. he died because a dog that wasnt mine (i dont have dogs/cats) killed him :cry: :cry: But he was not sick! I dont mean she answers Sammy's contact calls just wonders why she wanted to wait until they both had their evening treats to stop screaming (she stopped right after i served Sammy's treats).And Baylee never waited for Kiwi to get his treats so she could begin eating her treats!
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Re: Hellooo

Postby Wolf » Thu Dec 24, 2015 12:09 am

I apologise, I had to be thinking of Juliet who just recently died and did not know anything about Kiwi. I knew that it did not seem that I remembered a Kiwi but I did remember Juliet dying but did not make the connection.
L answer a lot of questions and some days it is harder to keep everyone's names straight in my head, I do go back and reread entire posts to refresh my mind, but sometime not soon enough. Will try to do better.
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