Hellooo

[Wolf]

Well it is much too soft and quiet to make much of a call, although it could still be a begging thing. Kookooloo also has a couple of very soft noises that she makes to me when she is getting hormonal especially just prior to regurgitating, which is also when Kiki does it. Maybe it is their version of pillow talk. Or trying to instruct me on hoe to do it with them. ( humor)

[Crazy4parrots]

In Sammy's case i dont think its hormonal cause he doesnt always make noise...so Pajarita what do you think it could be... this are the things the vet thought could be but has been ruled out:
- parasites ( no sign in his poop and bloodwork is normal)
- allergies (to gluten O.o) ruled out as im not providing oatmeal or wheat to him...veggies and fruits doesnt have gluten.
- begging behaviour vet says birds older than 1 year old 98% doesnt exhibit that kind of behaviour..

-poor brain development..vet said she would ruled out but im not so sure..but since vet said i would need to get a TAC scan of his brain but in my country there arent any TAC for animals! So the other option to rule out this is to wait and keep him on observation. Mild poor brain development can go unnoticed the 1st year of life.

-vitaminasis & poor diet its the other option vet said.

But he is improving...

[Crazy4parrots]

His poop this morning!

[Wolf]

Although Kiki and Kookooloo make these sounds when they are hormonal, they don't always make them either, it is just that this is the only time that they do make certain sounds. Your vet is wrong about begging though. Adult birds will beg if they need to. This, I think is one of the differences between free birds in the wild, who have no reason to beg after they reach maturity and companion birds in captivity, who have no way to get more of what they want except through us. With Sammy's bout with chronic malnutrition begging could be exactly what he is doing, even though he should not need to.

[Crazy4parrots]

He ate coloured pellets and some raisins! Today is day six of antibiotics... what worries me is the urates...why are they like that? Poop is looking so much better tho!

[liz]

A weak wild bird in a flock can beg food from the others. That is another good reason why thy flock. They do help each other.
Even different species will help each other. A Lady Cardinal helped a Wren feed her babies when the father disappeared. The bird house was hanging on my porch. The Cardinal could not fit in but took the food to the door and the babies went to her.

Rambo is 30 and still does the baby bird beg when he wants something and thinks I am not paying attention. I guess he thinks that every one knows the baby bird beg. He had to teach me.

[Crazy4parrots]

A weak wild bird in a flock can beg food from the others. That is another good reason why thy flock. They do help each other.
Even different species will help each other. A Lady Cardinal helped a Wren feed her babies when the father disappeared. The bird house was hanging on my porch. The Cardinal could not fit in but took the food to the door and the babies went to her.

Rambo is 30 and still does the baby bird beg when he wants something and thinks I am not paying attention. I guess he thinks that every one knows the baby bird beg. He had to teach me.

good to know that its a normal behaviour.. but i have the feeling this is different cause he sometimes is resting calmly and out of the blue after eating & drinking water & i let him out 2 hours in the morning & 2 in the afternoon..after been out he flicks the wings ever since i begun giving him the vitamins his flicking has diminished a lot!
Today he only flicked his wings more on the afternoon and only very little in the morning...

[Wolf]

With what Sammy has had to go through, you may be right and it could be unusual and we could be missing something that might help him , I don't know. What I do know is that you are doing a wonderful job in trying to help him and that we are using all that we know to try and assist you with that. I think about Sammy a lot and I take everything that you tell us and look in my medical books for anything similar and compare that with everything that I have learned in an effort to understand what is happening with Sammy. I know that you, your vet and we are now playing a guessing game because we all feel like there may be something that we are missing.
The hardest part of this is on you and Sammy. Sammy because he it trying to get better and you because you have to do all of the work. We are dependent on you and your observations to be our window into Sammy's world and you are doing the best you can about that. I also want to thank you for sharing with us and allowing us the opportunity to be a part of Sammy's life.

[Pajarita]

He ate coloured pellets and some raisins! Today is day six of antibiotics... what worries me is the urates...why are they like that? Poop is looking so much better tho!

I couldn't see any of the images. You might need to use a place like photobucket and download them from there.

[Pajarita]

Adult parrots do indeed beg even when they are old. Most especially parrots that were not weaned correctly or which are kept under food management.

In USA, a pet parrot could only get parasites if he was outdoors but I don't know how things are in Venezuela or whether the parrots there are all wild-caught or captive bred.

I don't know of any parrot that has an allergy. It has never really proven that they even have them and more than one avian vet has admitted to me that they use this diagnosis when they don't really know what is wrong with the bird - kind of a default. I also don't think that parrots have a gluten intolerance. It would not make sense as wild parrots eat gluten grains all the time and pet ones have been fed them for many years.

I also don't think this is any kind of brain underdevelopment because he would have to show some other symptom - I mean, there is no such thing as a part of the brain that controls just one single specific movement, namely, the flick. I mean, if the part of the brain that controls wing movement was affected, you would have to see some other abnormal movement of the wings and you haven't noticed anything, right? Plus, the owner says that this started about a year ago and, if it was poor brain development, it would have happened since he was a baby.

I've only seen this movement in ekkies and, in them, it's diet related. Now, in them is a problem of too much (too much protein, too many vitamins and minerals) because their diet needs to be what we would consider rather poor in nutrients but I don't know whether it manifests in other species and, if it does, what causes it (too much or too little?).

But, like Wolf, I think that you are doing everything possible to make him better and I can only hope that the owner either allows you to keep him or continues the treatment because, if she doesn't, he will go back to the same bad place in terms of health as he was before.

The only other time that I've seen a similar