Hello there!

[Wolf]

I do agree that my suggestion will not solve the root cause of this behavior but, it will reduce the chances of you being attacked from a bird that has chosen a nest site. I am not knowledgeable enough to explain how to set up an artificial means to readjust the birds biological clock so as to limit their breeding cycle to just the once per year that is normal for them, but I can help you to reduce the amount of protein in their daily diet. But unless you need additional help with that part of this then I feel that it is better to start getting the instruction on how to proceed from just one source at a time so as to avoid confusion, as I said in an earlier post on this topic.

[SkyBirdie]

Thank you both Wolf and Pajarita for your replies.

And to say it like this, It's extremely hard to figure out a schedule for them
as i do not know how to do so.

My knowledge of birds are still so low, i've been trying to learn more about birds, but it's not easy.

Also, it's not easy with the 2 overly hormonal birds that i have, soon i might lose them, as my dad can't take it anymore soon becouse of their behaviours :'(

They scream, they demand to go to a no-no place.
and can't even understand when we say No, or they do for a little while, before they try to do the no-no thing again.

It's also Not so easy to even gather the needed materials to change their schedule

[Wolf]

Yep, everything that you are saying about the difficulties of keeping and setting things up for these birds is true. No is it very helpful when you add in the fact that they are not prone to taking directions. Their normal life would have been with a flock in which there were no bosses and in which they each decided what they were going to do instead of there being a big bird telling them, " Ok, you guys are standing guard over the flock tonight" or other things.

Since the natural solar light schedule is not going to be viable in keeping them from being hormonal most of the time, then perhaps we need to look at your schedules to use as a basis for the birds x
schedules as much as the two periods of time each year that the sun can be used as well. While I am not sure of what months we can use the natural rising and setting of the sun where you are to the birds benefit we can work that out shortly. So what would your normal working schedules be. I suppose we need to look as what time do you normally wake up and then when do you go to work, when would you get home from work and then normal bedtimes. Then we would have to compare that with the times of day that the sun rises and sets on an average for any given month, and that will provide a base for working out the birds daily schedules.

Or we can start by using the times of day that the birds are getting up in the morning right now as our starting point as well as what times you are working daily now. It is just a matter of knowing what we have to work with and around.

[SkyBirdie]

Yep, everything that you are saying about the difficulties of keeping and setting things up for these birds is true. No is it very helpful when you add in the fact that they are not prone to taking directions. Their normal life would have been with a flock in which there were no bosses and in which they each decided what they were going to do instead of there being a big bird telling them, " Ok, you guys are standing guard over the flock tonight" or other things.

Since the natural solar light schedule is not going to be viable in keeping them from being hormonal most of the time, then perhaps we need to look at your schedules to use as a basis for the birds x
schedules as much as the two periods of time each year that the sun can be used as well. While I am not sure of what months we can use the natural rising and setting of the sun where you are to the birds benefit we can work that out shortly. So what would your normal working schedules be. I suppose we need to look as what time do you normally wake up and then when do you go to work, when would you get home from work and then normal bedtimes. Then we would have to compare that with the times of day that the sun rises and sets on an average for any given month, and that will provide a base for working out the birds daily schedules.

Or we can start by using the times of day that the birds are getting up in the morning right now as our starting point as well as what times you are working daily now. It is just a matter of knowing what we have to work with and around.

I'm home pretty much all the time, whilst my dad works and such... i'm basically never outside...
Right now, it seems to get a bit light outside between 05:30-06:00am, which it is at the moment of writing this (just woke up) and it gets' darker between 20:30 and 21:30... which is around that time the birds go to bed.

I do go into the bird's room from time to time, with a bit of apple, oranges, or grapes, for both me and them.

I'll give a photo of the birds room later today (If i remember so)
maybe that will help on some things?



I kind of think that our purchase of the birds was on an impulse...
as for none of us knew anything about these birds :/

[Wolf]

Well impulse buy of a bird or birds is probably the worst reason of all, that I can think of, for getting one, especially when you know nothing about them. Still, as long as you are willing we will do what we can to help you.

Other than the fact that my first parrots arrival at my home was a complete surprise to us it was not much different in regards to that we knew absolutely nothing at all about them either, which just shows that this can be fixed. Let me do some thinking and I will get back to you a little later today. It is just past 4 AM here and I want to sleep for another hour if I can.

[SkyBirdie]

Well impulse buy of a bird or birds is probably the worst reason of all, that I can think of, for getting one, especially when you know nothing about them. Still, as long as you are willing we will do what we can to help you.

Other than the fact that my first parrots arrival at my home was a complete surprise to us it was not much different in regards to that we knew absolutely nothing at all about them either, which just shows that this can be fixed. Let me do some thinking and I will get back to you a little later today. It is just past 4 AM here and I want to sleep for another hour if I can.

Thanks alot for you helping me

And it was a surprise that we got the birds... i do think it even was a surprise for my dad aswell...
that my Dad's girlfriend suddenly wanted birds, without even knowing anything herself... as she hasn't been helping at all, not even close to helping, right now she's just abandoned the birds.
i don't really know my dad's relationship anymore... as it's only been me and my dad for like... half a year now...
with just her visiting for a little bit, then leaves...
Definately an impulse purchase, which i'm actually a bit upset about when thinking of it now...

I really want to know my birds better, and try and fix this the best i can, i love them

[SkyBirdie]

This is probably gonna be a thing that we're gonna have to change, right?
This is their diet...


and as promised, here's a picture of their huge room



Which sure needs to be cleaned up, they're pigs, that's for sure



i really really want to make it better for them. which is why i need all help that i can get.

[Pajarita]

LOL - I see they have been chewing the window sill (mine do the same thing so I put something called corner beads on the edges to protect them).

Yes, buying birds without doing A LOT of research about them is not a good idea but, in my personal opinion, 99% of people who get parrots do it from impulse and without anywhere near enough knowledge so don't feel too bad about it. People think that if an animal is considered a pet, it should be relatively easy to keep in a human home but this is not the case with parrots...

I see that you are making a great effort in feeding them a nice variety but I think that, although you might not be feeding too much protein and carbs, you do need to tweak it a bit. Go to the diet section and look up gloop recipes, there are several recipes there and you can make it either simple or complicated - and the good thing is that birds don't really care if something is under or overcook, they like it all the same so don't be afraid to experiment.

What I would do is, in the morning (about one hour after the sky is completely lit which I assume it would be around 7:30 am by what you posted) give them 1 level measuring cup of gloop and two kinds of fruit or one fruit and one 'sweet' vegetable (for example, apple and tomato or mango and corn on the cob, like that -try to make it different colors and to include, as much as possible red, orange or yellow ones). Then, in the evening, (macaws breed with 12 hours of light so you might want to make it less than that to bring down the sexual hormone production which is what is making them aggressive) say at 5 pm, give them a dinner of nuts and seeds (not so many sunflowers, they have A LOT of fat) - I would say about 1/2 cup.

You don't really need that much to do a good solar schedule, just an old lamp and something to put it on like an old table, a chair, a stool, whatever. You can just turn on the ceiling lights in their room around 9 am and turn them off at 4 pm, then at 4:30 pm you give them their dinner and partially cover the light coming in through the windows (shades? curtains? blinds?), at 5:00 pm, you cover the windows completely and turn on the lamp (it would be better if you could put a red light in it) on the table/stool/chair, at 5:30 pm you put the lamp under the table/stool/chair and at 6 pm you turn it off completely. This way, they would be a bit under the 12 hours of light that make them produce sexual hormones. I would keep them on this schedule for a few months so they can get rid of all the extra sexual hormones in their bloodstream and, once they are nice and calm again (you will also have to work on training them, of course), you can start increase the light hours a bit so as to give them 'seasons'.

In the meantime, I would give them a 'nest' in their room - any kind of large box made out of wood would do (even an old piece of furniture - just make sure it's clean and that it doesn't have anything that might be bad for them, like varnish, for example). I think that having their own nest will take the edge off the aggression for now.

[SkyBirdie]

LOL - I see they have been chewing the window sill (mine do the same thing so I put something called corner beads on the edges to protect them).

Yes, buying birds without doing A LOT of research about them is not a good idea but, in my personal opinion, 99% of people who get parrots do it from impulse and without anywhere near enough knowledge so don't feel too bad about it. People think that if an animal is considered a pet, it should be relatively easy to keep in a human home but this is not the case with parrots...

I see that you are making a great effort in feeding them a nice variety but I think that, although you might not be feeding too much protein and carbs, you do need to tweak it a bit. Go to the diet section and look up gloop recipes, there are several recipes there and you can make it either simple or complicated - and the good thing is that birds don't really care if something is under or overcook, they like it all the same so don't be afraid to experiment.

What I would do is, in the morning (about one hour after the sky is completely lit which I assume it would be around 7:30 am by what you posted) give them 1 level measuring cup of gloop and two kinds of fruit or one fruit and one 'sweet' vegetable (for example, apple and tomato or mango and corn on the cob, like that -try to make it different colors and to include, as much as possible red, orange or yellow ones). Then, in the evening, (macaws breed with 12 hours of light so you might want to make it less than that to bring down the sexual hormone production which is what is making them aggressive) say at 5 pm, give them a dinner of nuts and seeds (not so many sunflowers, they have A LOT of fat) - I would say about 1/2 cup.

You don't really need that much to do a good solar schedule, just an old lamp and something to put it on like an old table, a chair, a stool, whatever. You can just turn on the ceiling lights in their room around 9 am and turn them off at 4 pm, then at 4:30 pm you give them their dinner and partially cover the light coming in through the windows (shades? curtains? blinds?), at 5:00 pm, you cover the windows completely and turn on the lamp (it would be better if you could put a red light in it) on the table/stool/chair, at 5:30 pm you put the lamp under the table/stool/chair and at 6 pm you turn it off completely. This way, they would be a bit under the 12 hours of light that make them produce sexual hormones. I would keep them on this schedule for a few months so they can get rid of all the extra sexual hormones in their bloodstream and, once they are nice and calm again (you will also have to work on training them, of course), you can start increase the light hours a bit so as to give them 'seasons'.

In the meantime, I would give them a 'nest' in their room - any kind of large box made out of wood would do (even an old piece of furniture - just make sure it's clean and that it doesn't have anything that might be bad for them, like varnish, for example). I think that having their own nest will take the edge off the aggression for now.

Aight, i really need to write this down .-.
Sorry if you're not seeing me reply.
i do read, but when i don't reply, i do not know what to reply with xD

yeah, they've bitten all over the room, in ways i don't even know how .-.
some places they've bitten, they've never had anything they could set foot on/hang, so they could bite.

Gonna be a while to find a "nest" to put in their room, as i don't know if we have something viable for them to use...

Any recommendations of what i should do to keep them away from their "Current" nest in my closet?
as closing down the doors doesn't help that much...they will just bite the door and scream.
they've really gotten attached to my closet "nest" as now my room is the only place they wanna go...i mean really attached.. they've only been in the closet 2 times... they're already defending it so much.
and i'm defending so they don't ruin the closet entirely, by throwing their chewing toy, or a thing they can destroy in there, as no thanks in putting my hand near them when they are in that mood xD

aaaand i've pretty much forgotten what else i was gonna say .-.

other than, thank you so much for trying to help me

[Pajarita]

The only way they will forget about the closet nest is for them to get another nest. I am not trying to be difficult but, when animals are hormonal, they are of a one-track mind, all they want to do is breed and they will not be dissuaded of it.

They sell commercial nests for them but you can also make one out of anything that resembles a cavity - like a medium size wooden trunk or chest laid on its side, a small kitchen or bathroom cabinet, a large planter, a box... they are not really particular, all they want is a dark place where they can go in and not be easily seen. I gave my amazons a cat condo similar to this one: http://www.amazon.com/America-Phoenix-3 ... =cat+condo and my cockatoos love the covered cat litters but I would not suggest them because they are made of plastic and they chew it up too fast.