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Re: Expierenced Keet lady, but new here!

Postby Pajarita » Tue Mar 21, 2017 1:01 pm

AnneBoleyn wrote:Hi Pajarita! :D
I have had Dandelion and Burdock for about 6 weeks now after rescuing them from someone who did not want them and they had both been quiet neglected (during these few weeks they have improved 10 fold!) and they are both babies of between 6 and 7 months old, but they don't have any leg rings, so my age is only an estimation. As such they do not have their adult plumage yet (they are a Plum head pair and Burdock has been dna sexed) To bring them up to full health I have been feeding them a high vitamin mix and dried fruit, nuts as well as fresh fruit (they adore raspberries!) and corn cob. They both have delightful but very different personalities. Dandelion (the girl) is defiantly the boss! I am currently working on "step up/down) finger training, but sometimes they just want a cuddle and love being wrapped in a warm towel after a bath. I will post some pictures soon.
:swaying:


Well, I would be careful about the high vitamin mix, the dried fruit and the nuts. These are Indian parrots and they eat mostly fruits so that means low protein, low fat, very high fiber and very high moisture (90 - 95%!) so I would use those parameters to 'plan' a good diet for them. Nuts are nutritious but they are also quite high in protein and fat (I would substitute with a good quality budgie mix). Dried fruit is usually not good for parrots... I know that a lot of people feed their parrots dry and even dehydrated fruit but, unless the fruit is dried naturally and without any preservatives (most dry fruit has them), we are talking about a food that is too dry (lack of moisture as well as concentration of sugar) and has bad things for them (sulfites to preserve color and texture). I use dry fruits mixed in their gloop (what they get for breakfast and all day picking) but it's stuff like organic raisins, currants, figs, dates, etc and I usually soak them overnight in warm water so they can absorb moisture before I put them in the gloop. The vitamin and mineral supplements sound great but you have to be real careful about vitamin D3 and A intake because bodies were not meant to ingest them but to make it from the precursors so there is no mechanism to get rid of the excess and, because they are both fat soluble, the 'extra' ends up been stored in their liver as fatty nodules which ends up in fatty liver disease. Too much iron is another problem because it gives them hemochromatosis, a condition that is not only fatal but also has no cure.

With birds and vitamins/minerals and protein, less is better than more. We are not used to this concept and all of us tend to feed and supplement too much so we all need to be super vigilant about it...
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Re: Expierenced Keet lady, but new here!

Postby ParrotsForLife » Tue Mar 21, 2017 1:20 pm

AnneBoleyn wrote:I kept a single male plum in the early 80s' called Disco, and he was very disruptive until I was advised to get him a same species friend as they flock in the wild. At the time I could not find a female, so I got another male and Disco calmed down as they got on so very well. How old is your plum head?

Mango is 4 years old, I think he would be a lot happier with his own species and maybe keep them in a Aviary during the summer since we will be getting one built.
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Re: Expierenced Keet lady, but new here!

Postby AnneBoleyn » Tue Mar 21, 2017 1:22 pm

Hi Pajarita
:thumbsup:
Thank you for the sound advice, as its been a long time since I had birds this young so its a bit of a hit and miss at the moment. I am making their food up from several different sources simply to give them choice and to find out their likes and dislikes. They don't like raisins, but they do like coconut and this is with beaphar vita mix to one part per dish. By far the biggest favorites are lightly boiled corn cob, cooled with cold water and they adore raspberries, banana and grapes. Larger pieces I have to cut up small for them. We are still in the "getting to know you" phase, and they are very young. But any advice would be wonderful and appreciated!
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Re: Expierenced Keet lady, but new here!

Postby AnneBoleyn » Tue Mar 21, 2017 5:18 pm

Pajarita wrote:
AnneBoleyn wrote:Hi Pajarita! :D
I have had Dandelion and Burdock for about 6 weeks now after rescuing them from someone who did not want them and they had both been quiet neglected (during these few weeks they have improved 10 fold!) and they are both babies of between 6 and 7 months old, but they don't have any leg rings, so my age is only an estimation. As such they do not have their adult plumage yet (they are a Plum head pair and Burdock has been dna sexed) To bring them up to full health I have been feeding them a high vitamin mix and dried fruit, nuts as well as fresh fruit (they adore raspberries!) and corn cob. They both have delightful but very different personalities. Dandelion (the girl) is defiantly the boss! I am currently working on "step up/down) finger training, but sometimes they just want a cuddle and love being wrapped in a warm towel after a bath. I will post some pictures soon.
:swaying:


Well, I would be careful about the high vitamin mix, the dried fruit and the nuts. These are Indian parrots and they eat mostly fruits so that means low protein, low fat, very high fiber and very high moisture (90 - 95%!) so I would use those parameters to 'plan' a good diet for them. Nuts are nutritious but they are also quite high in protein and fat (I would substitute with a good quality budgie mix). Dried fruit is usually not good for parrots... I know that a lot of people feed their parrots dry and even dehydrated fruit but, unless the fruit is dried naturally and without any preservatives (most dry fruit has them), we are talking about a food that is too dry (lack of moisture as well as concentration of sugar) and has bad things for them (sulfites to preserve color and texture). I use dry fruits mixed in their gloop (what they get for breakfast and all day picking) but it's stuff like organic raisins, currants, figs, dates, etc and I usually soak them overnight in warm water so they can absorb moisture before I put them in the gloop. The vitamin and mineral supplements sound great but you have to be real careful about vitamin D3 and A intake because bodies were not meant to ingest them but to make it from the precursors so there is no mechanism to get rid of the excess and, because they are both fat soluble, the 'extra' ends up been stored in their liver as fatty nodules which ends up in fatty liver disease. Too much iron is another problem because it gives them hemochromatosis, a condition that is not only fatal but also has no cure.

With birds and vitamins/minerals and protein, less is better than more. We are not used to this concept and all of us tend to feed and supplement too much so we all need to be super vigilant about it...


Please forgive me, and I bow down to your superior knowledge on parakeet feeding. Perhaps you should not feed "gloop" and try to love your birds. I was keeping parakeets since before you were born, and I do not appreciate your unsolicited advice. If your
feeding "gloop" you need reporting to avian specialists. Or lets be truthful? You don't like someone with solid parakeet experience. Your are an ego driven narcissist who should not be near ANY bird!
You do feel you have to be careful with vitamin D and you must give your advice. Please give it to someone who asks. I did not ask for it!
Your a narcissistic twat who has no love for anything!!
Fuck off and DIE!!!
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Re: Expierenced Keet lady, but new here!

Postby ParrotsForLife » Tue Mar 21, 2017 5:56 pm

AnneBoleyn wrote:
Pajarita wrote:
AnneBoleyn wrote:Hi Pajarita! :D
I have had Dandelion and Burdock for about 6 weeks now after rescuing them from someone who did not want them and they had both been quiet neglected (during these few weeks they have improved 10 fold!) and they are both babies of between 6 and 7 months old, but they don't have any leg rings, so my age is only an estimation. As such they do not have their adult plumage yet (they are a Plum head pair and Burdock has been dna sexed) To bring them up to full health I have been feeding them a high vitamin mix and dried fruit, nuts as well as fresh fruit (they adore raspberries!) and corn cob. They both have delightful but very different personalities. Dandelion (the girl) is defiantly the boss! I am currently working on "step up/down) finger training, but sometimes they just want a cuddle and love being wrapped in a warm towel after a bath. I will post some pictures soon.
:swaying:


Well, I would be careful about the high vitamin mix, the dried fruit and the nuts. These are Indian parrots and they eat mostly fruits so that means low protein, low fat, very high fiber and very high moisture (90 - 95%!) so I would use those parameters to 'plan' a good diet for them. Nuts are nutritious but they are also quite high in protein and fat (I would substitute with a good quality budgie mix). Dried fruit is usually not good for parrots... I know that a lot of people feed their parrots dry and even dehydrated fruit but, unless the fruit is dried naturally and without any preservatives (most dry fruit has them), we are talking about a food that is too dry (lack of moisture as well as concentration of sugar) and has bad things for them (sulfites to preserve color and texture). I use dry fruits mixed in their gloop (what they get for breakfast and all day picking) but it's stuff like organic raisins, currants, figs, dates, etc and I usually soak them overnight in warm water so they can absorb moisture before I put them in the gloop. The vitamin and mineral supplements sound great but you have to be real careful about vitamin D3 and A intake because bodies were not meant to ingest them but to make it from the precursors so there is no mechanism to get rid of the excess and, because they are both fat soluble, the 'extra' ends up been stored in their liver as fatty nodules which ends up in fatty liver disease. Too much iron is another problem because it gives them hemochromatosis, a condition that is not only fatal but also has no cure.

With birds and vitamins/minerals and protein, less is better than more. We are not used to this concept and all of us tend to feed and supplement too much so we all need to be super vigilant about it...


Please forgive me, and I bow down to your superior knowledge on parakeet feeding. Perhaps you should not feed "gloop" and try to love your birds. I was keeping parakeets since before you were born, and I do not appreciate your unsolicited advice. If your
feeding "gloop" you need reporting to avian specialists. Or lets be truthful? You don't like someone with solid parakeet experience. Your are an ego driven narcissist who should not be near ANY bird!
You do feel you have to be careful with vitamin D and you must give your advice. Please give it to someone who asks. I did not ask for it!
Your a narcissistic twat who has no love for anything!!
Fuck off and DIE!!!

I think you misunderstood what Gloop is, If I am correct I think its kind of like a chop or mash.Ive seen Pajarita give advice to every new member so shes not just picking you out of everybody and I think you took things a little too far.
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Re: Expierenced Keet lady, but new here!

Postby AnneBoleyn » Tue Mar 21, 2017 6:36 pm

BYE.........
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Re: Expierenced Keet lady, but new here!

Postby liz » Wed Mar 22, 2017 5:39 am

I hope you and your birdies do well.

Bye
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Re: Expierenced Keet lady, but new here!

Postby stevesjk » Wed Mar 22, 2017 6:01 am

And it all started so well
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Re: Expierenced Keet lady, but new here!

Postby Bird woman » Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:21 am

Geezzzzzzzzzzzzz :roll: I think the language is a little uncalled for ! :shock:
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Re: Expierenced Keet lady, but new here!

Postby Pajarita » Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:23 am

Yes, same here, wishing the best to you and your birds.
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