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Re: New bird owner :)

Postby Brittanyv326 » Fri May 28, 2010 5:11 pm

Your responses made me feel much better and the clicker training did build trust. I took "it" to the vet today and he said that what I was calling "he" was probably a "she" because the hips are wide. But I was already leaning towards Aderyn for a name and I think that might be it and thank you so much for the suggestion! Doesn't it seem gender neutral? I think it's cute whether he/she is a boy/girl. Anyway, the vet said she is in perfect health and complimented her on how sweet she is.

I'm so delighted to have her in my life! Hope she falls in love with me soon, I'm already in love with her. =)

And can't say thanks enough for this forum. It has helped me beyond belief, more than any books I've read have.

One more thing. I've really been trying to read her body language, and she keeps doing this thing where she opens her beak and holds it for half a second, then closes it. Kind of like a yawn, but not really like our yawns. What's that mean? She looks really mean when she does it, but it's never accompanied by any aggressive behavior - most times with feather fluffing, which she does right before she takes a nap. So maybe it is after all a yawn?

:senegal: :D :senegal: :D

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She loves perching on the door to the cage, she hasn't touched the "play stand" we made her out of a natural wicker basket and natural twine (recommended by the breeder).
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Re: New bird owner :)

Postby Michael » Fri May 28, 2010 11:58 pm

You don't have to read into behavior too much. Look at behavior and consequence to learn how to handle your parrot. Yawns and things like that shouldn't matter unless you get bit after one every time. You'll learn some of these subtler behaviors over time but try to focus on learning safe vs aggressive behavior. Be careful not to over-excite a Senegal because excitement turns into aggression very quickly.
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Re: New bird owner :)

Postby pchela » Sat May 29, 2010 1:23 am

Oh yay! I love Aderyn for a boy or girl! Also, it can be shortened to Addy or Ryn!

I think what you are seeing is indeed a yawn. Mine does that as well. I'm so glad that you are enjoying him/her! You will find yourself falling in love a little more every day!
"I bet the sparrow looks at the parrot and thinks, yes, you can talk, but LISTEN TO YOURSELF!" ~ Jack Handy ~ Deep Thoughts
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Re: New bird owner :)

Postby Brittanyv326 » Sat May 29, 2010 5:44 pm

You're right Michael, reading her is not working out so well and I'm sure every bird has their own quirks in body language. I wanted to post a video kind of in thanks to you Michael for how much your forum and your training tips have helped! So I made one today, my first try. This is day 4 of owning my Senegal, day 3 of clicker training and day 2 of target training. I can't believe the results. See for yourself. =)

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Longer distances are working well too. We're well on our way.
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Re: New bird owner :)

Postby Michael » Sat May 29, 2010 7:08 pm

Do you realize that the entire point of the clicker is to mark the moment the correct behavior was demonstrated by the parrot?
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Re: New bird owner :)

Postby Brittanyv326 » Sat May 29, 2010 7:19 pm

Jeez, sorrry. Thanks for the tip... Guess I'm not so pro. You could be a little less harsh though. I'll take down the video if it offends you that I messed up your whole training technique. It's working anyway, so I wonder how important the clicker really is? I didn't use it for my dog and she knows 9 tricks.
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Re: New bird owner :)

Postby tacotaco » Sat May 29, 2010 7:52 pm

hi brittany, welcome to the forum! congrats on your little sennie :senegal: :)
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Re: New bird owner :)

Postby Michael » Sat May 29, 2010 8:11 pm

Brittanyv326 wrote:Jeez, sorrry. Thanks for the tip... Guess I'm not so pro. You could be a little less harsh though. I'll take down the video if it offends you that I messed up your whole training technique. It's working anyway, so I wonder how important the clicker really is? I didn't use it for my dog and she knows 9 tricks.


Not trying to be harsh. But if you read the details, I explain exactly when to click and you can see it in the videos. You don't have to remove video, in fact it's a good demonstration for others of a typical beginner mistake that demises clicker training. I understand it's your first bird and that you are content with your progress. But knowing the intelligence of these parrots, I can tell you that it wasn't even a slightest challenge for it. Let me give you a few tips so you can make target training do the most for you (and perhaps you do this but I'm just going by what I saw in the video).

First off, click when the bird touches the stick. That's the only way for it to be effective. If you click postfactum, you are telling the parrot to repeat the behavior that happened when you clicked rather than touching the stick. You don't see why it matters because the parrot doesn't understand the clicker enough yet. It's only had 3 days of clicker practice so it can just as quickly forget it as it learned it. However, for a clicker trained parrot like Kili (or perhaps your parrot some day) it has a completely different meaning. If I target Kili but click 5 seconds later, she knows I am clicking for whatever she was doing 5 seconds after. There is actually a use for this technique. For instance if I wanted to teach Kili to walk on a picture of a road or little train track, I would target her along the track from start to end. I wouldn't let her touch the stick and keep it just ahead of her so she would follow it to the end. At the end of the track she can touch it, click and reward. As she learns this, I would start reducing the stick motion and only target her 3/4 of the way, 1/2 way, etc but only click when she reaches the end of the track. Here is an example where the targeting is disjoined from the clicking for a reason. Because the click isn't for targeting but for walking the designated path. Eventually the stick would be phased out entirely.

The reason I want you to focus on doing clicker/target training properly now is so that your parrot would learn the value of clicks and really pay attention to the moment of the click. This will make teaching tricks like wave, wings, and shake much easier. However, if you are not clicking the right time, the parrot will be confused, the clicks will serve little value, and training will be compromised. Be careful of making mistakes on your part because they will amplify when the parrot makes its own mistakes on top of those. For something so simple as target training, clicker isn't really necessary. The real reason you are using a clicker for target training is for practice and so the parrot would learn the importance of it on a more frequent basis for future training where it is required.

Lastly, I think you should challenge the parrot more. I know you think you've made a lot of progress in 2 days but I know from experience that a parrot has much more potential. You should progressively increase the distance that you target the parrot but reduce the distance if it doesn't know what to do that far. By increasing the challenge up front, you teach the parrot that it has to come to the stick (the real purpose of targeting) rather than wait for you to practically stick it in its mouth. That could be useful if you are training it to accept medicine from an eye dropper you put in its mouth, but if you want to teach it to come to you (or wherever you point with stick) you have to start challenging it by increasing distance as soon as possible or the bird will get too hung up on the waiting for you to approach the stick for it.

Hope this helps. Let me know if you have any questions. And I look forward to seeing another video where you apply the technique better and get the parrot to come on your hand or cross some distance.
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Re: New bird owner :)

Postby Michael » Tue Jun 01, 2010 10:23 am

So any new progress updates?
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Re: New bird owner :)

Postby Marnie » Tue Jun 01, 2010 11:12 am

i liked your video, good job. you are doing great for only having him 4 days.
:thumbsup: i just love Sennies! :senegal:
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