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Re: Introduction + General questions

Postby patdbunny » Tue May 03, 2011 10:00 pm

My experience has been that a high energy bird does well in a low energy household. The bird feeds off the household energy. I try not to send a sun conure into a loud, super hectic household. They pick up on that high energy and get really wound up, usually manifesting in screaming and biting.

So, it comes down to whether or not you/your family can deal with a high energy bird. I keep going to foraging - foraging kept me sane with a goffin cockatoo. I see foraging as a no brainer "easy" way to keep a high energy bird occupied. Nothing's easy, but whatever makes it "easier".

I have a boxer! We're a calm household so Abby's usually pretty calm. . . except when she's not. :lol:
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Re: Introduction + General questions

Postby Ta2Matt » Tue May 03, 2011 11:42 pm

Awesome! That's really quite nice to hear, not mention it makes so much sense!!
I'm pretty sure a pair of caiques is what we are going to go with, it's just a matter of time to save up for their high price and get everything set up. Not to mention narrowing all the breeders down to the right one.
We are hopping for August if all goes well :)
Thanks again! :D
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Re: Introduction + General questions

Postby GlassOnion » Wed May 04, 2011 12:23 am

I'm ridiculously jealous as I want a caique!

Curious, what made you want 2 instead of one?
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Re: Introduction + General questions

Postby Ta2Matt » Wed May 04, 2011 12:44 am

I really wanted a parrot of my own, as I have for years.
When my girlfriend saw the caique and interacted with it she fell in love with it imidiately.
Not to mention I won't shut up about the subject for the last couple of months now since I've been reeding on the matter/watching countless videos 3-4 hours a day.
So maybe it's part selfishness, but at the same time I really think a pair would be most rewarding for both of us.
Now we just have to figure out how to distinguish them since we both want black capped caiques.
I'm also trying to find out if it matters what gender they are in the case of this species.
Really hopping the breeder would know somehow.
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Re: Introduction + General questions

Postby GlassOnion » Wed May 04, 2011 1:01 am

Be aware that caiques are notorious for attacking, as in willing to kill other birds in the house especially if they were there first. I know of owners who absolutely need to separate their caiques from other birds. If you want to add another bird down the road, this may be an issue.
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Re: Introduction + General questions

Postby Ta2Matt » Wed May 04, 2011 1:10 am

Thanks for the heads up :)
I read that about them, but I've also read they can get along very well with other birds as long as they are properly supervised.
As for these two, we will be acquiring both at the same time and they will each have their own big cage, placed next to each other.
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Re: Introduction + General questions

Postby patdbunny » Wed May 04, 2011 8:55 am

Two. . . Oh goodness. . .

I have multiple parrots and can't imagine having only one. But this is going to be your first bird(s). I personally feel very strongly about first-timers getting one, living with it for a minimum of 6 months before getting another one.

You guys don't know if you're "bird people" yet.
You need to bond and develop a good relationship to that first bird first before adding a second. Sure they'll keep each other company while you guys are out of the house. Do you have the skill to have both birds develop good relationships with the humans given the amount of time you're all out of the house? Are you guys all ok with it if it backfires and one or both birds bond/would prefer each other over any humans? Parrots aren't like dogs. You can have 3 dogs, you're away at work all day, you come home and all the dogs are happy to see you. Birds have more of their own agenda.

You know (maybe you don't, but this is true) how you have one young child, they're generally well behaved, have their intolerable moments simply because they're a young child; put two young children together and they seem to find trouble tenfold. . .
Birds are kinda that way. One you might find easily livable. Two might make you crazy within 6 months.

Your girlfriend fell in love. Hate to bag on my sex. But my sex tends to get their feeling hurt when the bird loves them in the beginning and then for whatever reason decides one day that she's public enemy number 1. Does your girlfriend understand this and is okay with this? Will your girlfriend still love and be dedicated to the care, health, wellbeing of this animal that's going to live 20+ years if she can't physically handle it?

Look, I breed birds and I love them. I love matching households and seeing the new owners happy with their new pet. But I also see some things new owners have never thought about and I want them to think it through before they get this animal that's going to live a very, very long time.
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Re: Introduction + General questions

Postby kaylayuh » Wed May 04, 2011 9:16 am

I would also caution against getting two birds at once, especially if you've never owned a bird before. I got three birds within six months of eachother and I sometimes wonder what the hell I was thinking. And I knew I was a bird person; I'd lived with birds my entire life.

One bird is a mess. People never really think birds can be as messy as they are, and I can never understand why. They throw food. They poop. A LOT. On you, on the floor, all over their cage. I spend at least two hours every day vacuuming up food from the floor, picking up shredded toys, cleaning food and water dishes, wiping off perches, and cleaning poop off of all kinds of weird places in their cage. Newspapers need to be changed, fresh food needs to be made up, pellet/seed mixes need to be put together.

Also, birds are noisy. No matter if the breeder says they're quiet or not, all birds make noise. They contact call and do all other kinds of screams. While one bird is noisy, a second bird doesn't just double the volume. It increases tenfold. I have three small birds, and they chat with eachother all day long. The GCC has a much louder, shrill call but likes to join in the constant budgie chatter.

On top of birds being a lot of work, you need to figure out how to bond with and train the bird. Hopefully the breeder you go with will have socialized the bird you've chosen properly. Hopefully that bird will know how to step up. Sometimes that's the case, other times you have to figure out how to do this all on your own. And having two birds makes it all the more likely that they'll bond with eachother before they bond with you.

You and your girlfriend can "share" a bird. Both interact with it, both do the daily chores associated with it, both play with, love, cuddle, and train it. A well socialized bird should have no problem interacting with the both of you, even though it may prefer one of you over the other.
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Re: Introduction + General questions

Postby Ta2Matt » Wed May 04, 2011 7:30 pm

Patdbunny;

-you recommend waiting 6 months in between getting the birds. Is it not a risk that the first may be very territorial and not like this? I realize that it's quite a good idea and done very often, but aren't caiques bad at accepting new flock members?

-You ask if I am ready to the possibility that they will bond together and we humans be sort of pushed aside. I am aware that this is possible and may take extra work to bond with them.

- I can really imagine a pair being like kids and feeding off of each others bad habits, but really.. I don't think there's anything other than determination that will solve that :lol:

-You say about ''baging'' on your own gender.. Are they known for prefering male humans? I havn't read that anywere, it's a sad thing to hear :(

Finally i'd like to add that I am thinking everything through and that's why I am here to talk with veterans and professionals months in advance :)

Kaylayuh;

-You mention that there will be ALOT of cleaning to do, and I do realize this :)
the way I see it, twice the birds, twice the man power. If we split our responsabilities evenly I don't think this is to much of an issue.

-You're not the first person to tell me that 2 birds does not double the noise but rather enhance it tenfold. THIS is a factor, and we are actually planning on sound proofing the appartment door (since that's pretty much the only spot that sound can penetrate the walls here.)

-I know training will be very time consuming and require ALOT of patience and commitment. While I cannot speak for my girlfriend, I am prepared and dedicated to it, through the highs and the lows.

- Sharing a single bird is not a bad idea. And weather we get 2 or just 1 is moreso up to my girlfriend. No matter what I am getting my own.
If we happen to only get one, do you guys recomend only a single person train it at a time or that both go through training together?

Conclusion;
Once again, I am here because I'm trying to gather as much info as I can before I make all my final decisions. The idea of getting a pair is still not set in stone and we are still looking into weather or not this is the right thing for us. All I know for sure right now is I will be getting a bird, preferably in the begining of august and I am heavily leaning towards a black capped caique.
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Re: Introduction + General questions

Postby kaylayuh » Wed May 04, 2011 8:06 pm

I've heard of people getting two birds and having it be a successful relationship for everyone involved, but you have to be absolutely certain you're committed to both birds and their care. It's all too often that people get birds and have then end up in rescues. If you have rescues in your area, I would suggest finding one and seeing if they need volunteers. That way, you're absolutely certain you're both "bird people" and are prepared for the duties of bird ownership.

Aside from that, I imagine having two people to split the work between would be helpful. Right now, my boyfriend lives in California while I live in Pennsylvania, so it's just me to take part in the bird care responsibilities. I don't really mind cleaning the cages, but it is the worst part of owning birds in my opinion. And no matter how much you clean, you still seem to have poop and bird food left behind. If you don't mind living in an apartment that is in a constant state of bird messiness, then you should have no problem owning a parrot.

Noise was also a big consideration for me as I live in an apartment as well. I'm not sure how loud caiques are, but if your neighbors and landlord don't mind and you can live with the noise, it could be a nonfactor. Be advised, though, that birds make noise very early in the morning if they can see sunlight. My Green Cheek Conure has taken to playing jail break with his cage and climbs from under the sheet I use across the budgies cage and flies to me and wakes me up with a loud "EE EE EE!" Cute, but startling.

Also be prepared for the costs of the birds. Caiques alone cost, on average, $750. I would double the initial cost for the bird. You'll need a big enough cage for two birds, perches, toys, food, and vet bills. My avian vet charges $200 for the initial "new bird" visit. Each visit after that is $62. Tests, medications, and specialized treatment are much more expensive than a dog or a cat. These are also yearly costs.

People also don't tell you how quickly a bird goes through perches and toys. And my god, those things get expensive and are just as addicting for the people as they are for the parrots. Once you get the bird, a bunch of us here have favorite online toy shops that we can help you with. Most of the small bird toys are priced between $5 and $10 for basic toys and go up in price from there. Perches come in a wide variety and are also fairly expensive, though sometimes you can find great deals. I ordered three manzanita perches for $6 on EBay a while back.

For food, you should be aware that seeds probably aren't the best diet, which a breeder will tell you. If you're purchasing babies, that shouldn't be a problem as a good breeder will wean them onto pellets. But pellets are also expensive depending on what brand you use. Your best bet is to find the pellet the bird prefers and buy it in bulk. It saves costs on bird food and time in having to go to the store to buy it every month. I currently have 40lbs of it in my refrigerator and that should last me a year.. hopefully.

All in all, it's a huge consideration to get even one bird. A lot of people wonder what they were thinking when they brought their feathered friend home and can't deal with the work, the noise, the mess, hormones, or all kind of other issues. There's not a lot of caique owners around here, but we're all pretty willing to help when we can. And unless you have any species specific questions, we should be able to help you.

I'm done rambling for now. :D
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