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Re: Can we please be nice to new members?

Postby codyf » Wed Aug 13, 2014 1:35 pm

While I'm not technically "new" to this forum, I started here years ago on my parrot research, learned a lot quickly, and ended up not getting any birds until a few months ago in no small part due to a lot of what I learned here.

I lurk here quite often but hardly post (mostly because I don't have a lot to say :P), I saw this thread a while ago and decided not to post but since it's been resurrected I'll drop in my $0.02. With regards to the OP and things that can scare off new members.. at times there's a very large amount of soapboxing that occurs on this forum. I don't mean people being blunt (though being blunt to people on a forum is often not helpful, especially if they're entirely new to parrots -providing neutral explanations is often much better and much more educational), but I've seen posts here that essentially say "if you don't do it this way, you're a terrible person and have no business owning a parrot." There's a specific post I'm thinking of right now from a prominent member (no, I won't point it out, don't ask) that uses the majority of those words in that order in relation to the topic being discussed, and IMO was a completely inappropriate response. That's an extreme example but there is a lot of "if it's not done the way I do it, it's wrong" on this forum.

One thing I discovered over my 2+ years of research before getting a parrot is that there is a lot of contradicting information out there. And sometimes more than one approach, method, or whathaveyou is correct. We all know ourselves and our birds are individuals and what works for some won't work for others. When a member asks about something that really isn't bad being immediately told "No, you're completely wrong and how could you even think that?", it's a good way to make them go and seek information else ware. The immediate assumption is that the person is doing something wrong because it isn't done the exact way the respondent would do it or thinks it should be done. That doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong, won't work, or is harmful to the parrots. Take a step back and think "Hey, is that actually a valid <method/food/schedule/time/habitat/whatever>?"

Anyway, like I said, just my $0.02 from a lurker.
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Re: Can we please be nice to new members?

Postby Pajarita » Thu Aug 14, 2014 10:21 am

Thank you for taking the time to post and give your opinion. We welcome everybody's input and will always try to better our delivery methods so as to reach more people. But, leaving aside the fact that your comments are based on paraphrases which cannot be used as constructive criticism (when you paraphrase, you are stating what you understood or read but not what the other person said or wrote) and don't actually mention any of the issues been dealt with at the time the offending or questionable postings were made (ergo, no way of knowing exactly what this 'my way or the highway' replies were about), if you are referring to actual husbandry, I am afraid that you are basing your comment on a very common misconception in birdcare: the 'it's a matter of opinion' myth. Most issues in bird husbandry are not a matter of opinion so, usually (not always), there actually is just one way of doing things right and not several. Mind you, not because 'the right way' is our way but because it's nature's way. People can differ on training methods or analysis of what a specific behavior means or is a consequence of and how to correct it but there is no differing on scientific facts and that's usually the ones we post as 'we are right and you are wrong' (but, if I am wrong, please correct me).

The 'it's a matter of opinion' misconception is brandied about very often in birdsites but it disregards science (evolution, natural habitat, diet ecology, physiology, etc). People use it when they want to either justify something it's easy for them to do when other people say it's not good OR when their first priority is for everybody to like them instead of the birds wellbeing (not a proclivity of mine as you can well guess by my usual bluntness -LOL).

Again, I don't know what reply, subject or argument you were referring to specifically so I can't reply in more detail and, for all I know, I might be completely wrong in my assumption of which postings motivated your comment so, if you give me an example on when you think that something in bird care could be a matter of opinion, I could go into it more deeply and explain why we answer with something that basically says 'this is the right way and you are doing it wrong'.
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Re: Can we please be nice to new members?

Postby tomanyales » Fri Aug 15, 2014 7:30 pm

Just sign up and this is the first tread I have read. Not sure why I would other than the title. Yes I don't know what I doing when it comes the parrots and was reading Training Parrot blog which lead me here and other sites. So far I have learn one thing and that is how much I don't know and how much there is to learn. For now I sit back and read and read some more. When I ask for help its because I am really lost and desperate for help. Please keep this in mind because I am sure it be a stupid question out of been totally confused with all the info I have read. It one thing to read something and another to make it work.
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Re: Can we please be nice to new members?

Postby Wolf » Fri Aug 15, 2014 11:08 pm

The only really stupid question that I can think of at the moment is the one that you don't ask.
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Re: Can we please be nice to new members?

Postby archi77 » Thu Dec 11, 2014 7:04 am

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Re: Can we please be nice to new members?

Postby liz » Thu Dec 11, 2014 10:57 am

I forgot about this thread. I will try harder.
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Re: Can we please be nice to new members?

Postby marie83 » Thu Dec 11, 2014 11:16 am

archi77 wrote:Agreed. Only replying in this thread because I just had an unwelcomed experience with someone more worried about their post count than with providing useful information. I will lurk for a while longer, but I've already lost trust in this forum, like many others out there. I will find my own answers...


why would anyone worry about their post count??
BTW I wondered what u were talking about so I checked to see if I could see what you were referring to. I don't really think your response was appropriate, you have to realise this is a fairly quiet forum and that members here don't like to read and run. Also a few people get paranoid about being ignore if a post goes unanswered and think nobody is interested in helping them and it's reassuring for them to get some sort of reply until the person has the time to respond properly or somebody more knowledgeable comes along.
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Re: Can we please be nice to new members?

Postby liz » Thu Dec 11, 2014 11:38 am

The number of posts you have sets you toward a bigger parrot name.
I was accused of padding my posts. What I was really doing was going back to find out what threads were not answered and replying to the ones who never posted again. Even if I had no answer it brought the post back up to get an answer.
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Re: Can we please be nice to new members?

Postby Wolf » Thu Dec 11, 2014 12:36 pm

I think that the poster may have gotten inadequate help somewhere else and is carrying a grudge to here. I don't know, I try to not get to concerned as I figure that if someone wants to be offended then they will find a way to be offended and there is nothing you can do about it.
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Re: Can we please be nice to new members?

Postby marie83 » Thu Dec 11, 2014 12:38 pm

Yea I know that Liz but not sure any adult would be so childish to get a bigger bird under their name.
Of course your right- it does bump the thread up again and makes it easier for people to see amongst the others.
It doesn't matter how good your intentions are, everything seems to get taken the wrong way these days.
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