My next bird!

[KimberlyAnn]

Oh, I did not read this before I answered your other post about Conures vs. Other parrots. I wish I had. A conure requires even more patients then a parakeet. If you are giving up so soon on your parakeets, I fear that you would give up even more quickly with a conure. This is sad to me because they do require the trust based attention or you will have a big biting problem on your hands. The conure will run too and not want to spend time with you. They live for so long and if given up on so quickly...that's a sad life for them.

Please spend more time getting your parakeets to trust you instead of starting over with another bird. It will be so fulfilling to you and them. Giving up on them so early, they don't exactly have the shortest of lives either. They are your responcibility and deserve to live fulfilled lives themselves.

[marie83]

Sorry I read your other post before this one. I don't know you obviously but I don't think your ready for another bird, they are all a challenge, ollie bit me relentlessly, I've had cockatiels that have taken over 6 years to tame etc and believe me when I say I've had it easy compared with some. When you've established a good relationship with your current birds, then is the time to consider another if you have the time and resources.

George the peach front was by far the easiest bird I've ever had. The person who had him before me did a bloody good job with him and put in alot of .

[shiraartain]

I am not as experienced with birds as some of the people on this forum, but I wanted to say that you are being unfair to your budgies. I had a budgie who was not tame and who just would just barely tolerate stepping up on my finger to be taken to her cage. I loved her and had her for about 6 years before I had to give her away. It was around the 5th year that suddenly she became relatively tame (eating fruit from our hands, flying to our shoulders, etc.) and even began speaking after bonding with another one of our birds who could talk. And this is with little to no effort on my part to tame her. Your budgies have so much potential if you only take your time and have patience.

There is no guarantee a conure will make you happy either. I'm fortunate to be from a bird family, but Fajr is still a ridiculous amount of work as compared to my budgie. The amount of attention he requires is on an entirely new level. If I were alone in taking care of him I would probably have not gotten him in the first place or rehomed him by now.
Please spend at least a few months working with your budgies before even having thoughts of this sort. While they may not seem impressive to you right now, it is because you do not know each other well yet.

[Faraaz]

Ok so everyone is starting to attack me. The only reason I want a new bird is a bird similar to my Sennie. I know my budgies don't hate me that much and I guess I was being a little unjust but I teached my budgie a lot since I posted this topic. I give my budgies 30 mins- 1 hour a day until the fly back to their cage. I invested a lot of money in these budgies and have dealt with a ignorant breeder who told me they were hand fed but apparently not.

I teached my other Budgie (Fugi) flight recall and I think he is doing it pretty well. I don't think I am being unjust to my birds just by getting another bird and I have done my research as well. No one dare think I will forget my Budgies. These were my first parakeets and I am loving them to the end.

.....but I wanted to say that you are being unfair to your budgies

As I said I still spend time with my birds even though they can not learn some tricks

.....Your budgies have so much potential if you only take your time and have patience.

I have no words of defense on this one, I did take my time but I guess I gave up to fast. Sorry but I will keep trying.

Sorry I read your other post before this one. I don't know you obviously but I don't think your ready for another bird, they are all a challenge, ollie bit me relentlessly, I've had cockatiels that have taken over 6 years to tame etc and believe me when I say I've had it easy compared with some. When you've established a good relationship with your current birds, then is the time to consider another if you have the time and resources.

George the peach front was by far the easiest bird I've ever had. The person who had him before me did a bloody good job with him and put in alot of .

Oh, I did not read this before I answered your other post about Conures vs. Other parrots. I wish I had. A conure requires even more patients then a parakeet. If you are giving up so soon on your parakeets, I fear that you would give up even more quickly with a conure. This is sad to me because they do require the trust based attention or you will have a big biting problem on your hands. The conure will run too and not want to spend time with you. They live for so long and if given up on so quickly...that's a sad life for them.

Please spend more time getting your parakeets to trust you instead of starting over with another bird. It will be so fulfilling to you and them. Giving up on them so early, they don't exactly have the shortest of lives either. They are your responcibility and deserve to live fulfilled lives themselves.

I still love my birds, I didn't exactly "give up" I just over reacted and got upset that these birds can't do everything that my Sennie did.

Seeing you give up after only a try or two, and ignore advice when given with care for the bird tells me you should not get another parrot. It is likely it will end up in a rescue - it may sound harsh but from what I can gather from your postings you do not have the patience to get the proper experience to handle and tame a bird.

I find this offensive to me. I love my birds and I ALWAYS listen to everyone's advice. Weather its for a toy, training technique or general lifestyle I always listen to peoples advice and take it into consideration. I give my budgies QUALITY TIME outside their cages so they can have fun, explore and eat my left over food (Making sure its bird safe)

You are only having the problems with your budgies, because of your refusal to take the time needed to establish a bond based on mutual respect, love and trust. You seem to think that just because you want things to occur that they must occur on your time reference, but a bird doesn't have the same obsession with time. The only reason that I can see that you had a Senegal that loved you was because someone else did the initial taming and training, because you do not exhibit the needed patience and self control.
I know that I don't just trust everyone nor does that trust happen overnight, Some people are unfortunate enough for me to trust them in a relatively short time and others not so fast. You seen to think that a bird is like a computer, you push a button and if you pressed the right button what you want just happens. Well a bird is not just a possession, it does not respond the way that you want just because you want it ,now. If you are having this much trouble with a budgie, you don't have what it takes to win the trust and affection of a Senegal. The only thing you will get by treating a Senegal the way you treat your budgies, is a lot of pain, bloodshed, and scars, because a Senegal will not put up with it.
Now that is my honest opinion of your knowledge and capabilities, as you have shown them, up to this point. But, I will not hold that against you and will continue to do my best to help you. So stop being unreasonable with your budgies and take the time and put forth the very small amount of effort to win their trust, I can assure you that if you do this you will be able to have a wonderful experience with them. Did you know that a budgie holds the world record for the number of words it can speak. They are very intelligent and love to please their human, the problem is nor the budgies.

I love my budgies. I have been really reasonable with my budgies and spend quality time with them. I will tell you Wolf, I have what is takes to gain a trust from a bird. I feel like I am being scarred from this post and I will not tolerate it. I know they are intelligent and I show them respect and discipline. I feel like I have made my point here.

Faraaz out.

[AnarchoBoxer]

I think sometimes intentions get lost in the text. If you had a Senegal before, I don't necessarily think anyone doubts your ability to raise another. I will say though, I doubt budgies present any particularly unique challenge to any other bird. As you know, respect and trust are not given, they are earned.

[Wolf]

I know what you have and have not done with you budgies, because I have been trying to help you from the time that you started posting here. I am not saying that you can't win their trust, I am saying that you have failed to win their trust so far because you are being too impatient and not taking the time to do it. I will be right here and I will continue to give you the benefit of my experience and that includes being honest enough to tell you the truth. I really don't care if you will or will not tolerate it because my reason for being here have nothing to do with you, I am here for the birds and only the birds.
If that means that I have to talk you through this one time or fifty, then you can be assured that I will be pleased to do so. But you need to be aware that I will not lie to you about what you are doing or not doing, just to appease your ego. That would nor help you to be a better bird person and therefore would hurt the birds, and that I will not do.
No one is attacking you, they are all trying to tell you the same thing. Learn what it takes now with the birds that you presently have, then when you have learned and are successful with these birds, you may have enough experience and knowledge to stand a chance with another species of parrot. Everyone here is rooting for you, your birds and your success. Everyone here will tell you that this process takes some time as well as a tremendous amount of patience.
I am telling you truthfully, when I say that for you to acquire another bird at this time is not a good thing and you will end up with an unhappy bird, a bird that you could damage mentally and emotionally and no one want to see this happen. If I miss something or give you the wrong answers to your problems, someone else will chime in with a correction. I think that you need to think this through and figure out what you are doing, what it is that you want to do, why you want to do it and how do you expect to accomplish it.

[Faraaz]

I know what you have and have not done with you budgies, because I have been trying to help you from the time that you started posting here. I am not saying that you can't win their trust, I am saying that you have failed to win their trust so far because you are being too impatient and not taking the time to do it. I will be right here and I will continue to give you the benefit of my experience and that includes being honest enough to tell you the truth. I really don't care if you will or will not tolerate it because my reason for being here have nothing to do with you, I am here for the birds and only the birds.
If that means that I have to talk you through this one time or fifty, then you can be assured that I will be pleased to do so. But you need to be aware that I will not lie to you about what you are doing or not doing, just to appease your ego. That would nor help you to be a better bird person and therefore would hurt the birds, and that I will not do.
No one is attacking you, they are all trying to tell you the same thing. Learn what it takes now with the birds that you presently have, then when you have learned and are successful with these birds, you may have enough experience and knowledge to stand a chance with another species of parrot. Everyone here is rooting for you, your birds and your success. Everyone here will tell you that this process takes some time as well as a tremendous amount of patience.
I am telling you truthfully, when I say that for you to acquire another bird at this time is not a good thing and you will end up with an unhappy bird, a bird that you could damage mentally and emotionally and no one want to see this happen. If I miss something or give you the wrong answers to your problems, someone else will chime in with a correction. I think that you need to think this through and figure out what you are doing, what it is that you want to do, why you want to do it and how do you expect to accomplish it.

I like this post better than the other one. Sorry for ranting on you Wolf, your are the person who helped me the most o this forum so far. Thanks

[marie83]

Nobody is attacking you just giving advice with the info you have given. As I said in my post I do not know you but it does seem from your posts (and I haven't read many of them )like your current birds don't meet you expectations and everyone is trying to tell you that you will probably never find a bird that meets your expectations.
So you want one like your sennie, you'll never find one like your sennie because they are all individual- within species theres a high chance you'll get similar characteristics but I can promise you theres no guarantee for example plenty of people buy a green cheek expecting it to be cuddly then end up very disappointed to find out it isn't the cuddle bug they were expecting.
Besides that nobody is saying don't get another, just make the most of the ones you already have and enjoy their qualities other species don't have. Once you have established a good relationship with them and you have enough time then is the time to consider if you can provide a good home for another. It sounds like your already doing great so that day may be a lot sooner than you think.

[Wolf]

Then you need to reread the other post, only this time look for the truth in it. It is easy to be offended when faced with a truth one doesn't like, and even easier when one is young and full of dreams. I know because I was there and I had no one to turn to for anything. I had to grow up hard and fast just to survive, but I paid one hell of a price in the process. I would that your hopes and dreams remain with you always, but you always have to assess yourself in the bright light of truth. That is how you learn who you are, it is also how you learn to be your own best friend.
I want you to succeed with you desire to have a strong and secure bond with your birds, the ones that you now have, as well as the ones that you may have in times to come. you can have that but you must fund the self control to be patient and let the bond grow at the pace that your little friends can accept. It is not a fast process and it can not ever be forced as that will destroy it faster than it is possible to build.
Everyone here wants you to have a wonderful relationship with your birds, present and future. Their lives have all been touched by the friendship and the special magic of these creatures and many of them have also been personally touched by the unnecessary tragedy of mistreated birds, birds that have suffered physically, mentally and emotionally. Birds, through no fault of their own, that are scarred for life, some of which have been able to heal fully or at least partially. Some of them have been touched by birds that have been so scarred by their interaction with humans that they are unable to live with either bird or human.
And you wonder, why we tell you to develop the skills that you need now, with the birds that you have now, so that you don't inadvertently contribute to the problem. The question is not whether you have the capacity to win the trust of the birds that you have, the question is do you have the desire to do it and learn how to do it properly for the birds benefit.
About me : I am not into bull*&^T games or drama. I will speak true to the best of my ability. I am here for the birds. It is all about the birds!!!

[Faraaz]

Nobody is attacking you just giving advice with the info you have given. As I said in my post I do not know you but it does seem from your posts (and I haven't read many of them )like your current birds don't meet you expectations and everyone is trying to tell you that you will probably never find a bird that meets your expectations.
So you want one like your sennie, you'll never find one like your sennie because they are all individual- within species theres a high chance you'll get similar characteristics but I can promise you theres no guarantee for example plenty of people buy a green cheek expecting it to be cuddly then end up very disappointed to find out it isn't the cuddle bug they were expecting.
Besides that nobody is saying don't get another, just make the most of the ones you already have and enjoy their qualities other species don't have. Once you have established a good relationship with them and you have enough time then is the time to consider if you can provide a good home for another. It sounds like your already doing great so that day may be a lot sooner than you think.

Then you need to reread the other post, only this time look for the truth in it. It is easy to be offended when faced with a truth one doesn't like, and even easier when one is young and full of dreams. I know because I was there and I had no one to turn to for anything. I had to grow up hard and fast just to survive, but I paid one hell of a price in the process. I would that your hopes and dreams remain with you always, but you always have to assess yourself in the bright light of truth. That is how you learn who you are, it is also how you learn to be your own best friend.
I want you to succeed with you desire to have a strong and secure bond with your birds, the ones that you now have, as well as the ones that you may have in times to come. you can have that but you must fund the self control to be patient and let the bond grow at the pace that your little friends can accept. It is not a fast process and it can not ever be forced as that will destroy it faster than it is possible to build.
Everyone here wants you to have a wonderful relationship with your birds, present and future. Their lives have all been touched by the friendship and the special magic of these creatures and many of them have also been personally touched by the unnecessary tragedy of mistreated birds, birds that have suffered physically, mentally and emotionally. Birds, through no fault of their own, that are scarred for life, some of which have been able to heal fully or at least partially. Some of them have been touched by birds that have been so scarred by their interaction with humans that they are unable to live with either bird or human.
And you wonder, why we tell you to develop the skills that you need now, with the birds that you have now, so that you don't inadvertently contribute to the problem. The question is not whether you have the capacity to win the trust of the birds that you have, the question is do you have the desire to do it and learn how to do it properly for the birds benefit.
About me : I am not into bull*&^T games or drama. I will speak true to the best of my ability. I am here for the birds. It is all about the birds!!!

Thanks