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Re: umbrella cockatoo pecking.

Postby Pajarita » Wed Jul 16, 2014 10:28 am

How long have you had Lily? Because it could be that she does want to cuddle with you (they are very needy birds) but, because she is not 100% sure of you yet (as in the case that you haven't had her for very long), she is of two minds and nips you more out of an instinctual reaction than premeditation.

The thing with cockatoos is that they are difficult birds to read because they display both anger and excitement exactly the same way so you need to live with them and observe them for a very long time to be able to judge which is making her display: upset or joy?

The other is that they tend to get overly excited and, when they do, they nip. They don't mean to hurt you but they are like hyperactive children that just can't stop themselves from doing something they know it's not really bad per se but also not quite 100% acceptable. And this is where the 'knowing' your bird comes in: because after having them for a few years, you already know what the consequences will be of certain actions or her reactions and stop when you see that she is getting to the point of no return.

Now, there are times for interacting and there are times that something else needs to be done. They need to wake up with sunrise and get their breakfast no longer than 1 hour after it. Interaction should come after that, never before their fresh food breakfast (you can't feed them seeds, nuts or pellets, only, they need A LOT of produce of which they are usually great eaters -mine love their greens with a passion and would often go for a favorite one before anything else -like this morning when they got dandelion greens :D ). Then comes interaction, after that the noon rest (about 2 to 3 hours), then interaction again, and dinner when the sun is halfway down to setting with sleep after that. Cockatoos are very hormonal birds and they will give you trouble if you keep them to a human light schedule (lights on before sunrise and after sunset) because sexual hormones make them aggressive and unpredictable (can this be the reason why she reacts that way, kind of out of the blue, because she hasn't been kept at a bird schedule but at a human one and she is overly hormonal?).

Now, I know that the 'don't react when bit' notion has been and still is out there but I don't believe in it. Parrots are too smart to confuse an exclamation of pain for fun 'drama' and are not sadistic so they would not inflict pain just to see the reaction. I cry out when in pain and they know it's pain and not fun. Just this morning I dropped a large rock (I put rocks in the birdroom for them to wipe and hone their beaks on) on my left big toe which made me scream in pain and you could have heard a fly breathing in the birdroom, it was so silent all of a sudden! They always get excited when I come in and start vocalizing and flying around, perching on my shoulder, hanging on my back, playing musical chairs with my head and shoulders, etc and they don't stop until I put the food out which is the last thing I do (I clean first, then serve the water and lastly, their food) but, this morning, there was absolute silence, everybody stopped what they were doing and looked at me very intently... so much so that I felt so bad for them that I started singing even though I was in a lot of pain (the toe is now swollen and purple). They are not only smart and figure things out on their own, they are excellent body language and tone of voice readers to the point that they detect our moods even when we work hard at hiding them so, if they can 'sense' a very subtle mood signal, how could they possibly misunderstand pain for fun?! It's ludicrous! My birds know not only the difference but also figure out if it's another bird's fault or something else that caused the pain - and I know because one of them consoles me (Sophie, CAG), another one defends me (Nando, Jenday) and a third one scolds it (Precie, YNA) but, today, both Sophie and Nando consoled me while Precie did not say anything and just looked at me because they knew it had not been a bird that did it.

Now, please don't take this the wrong way because I am not trying to pop your balloon or anything but I am a bit concerned because I think that you might be too young to be in charge of a cockatoo. These are large, hormonal, very powerful birds with huge, strong beaks that can do A LOT of damage and which can be quite unpredictable when not handled correctly - and this is not an easy thing to do because they tend to be very needy. Zachary, a citron and one of my cockatoos, bit his previous owner's daughter in the mouth and took a chunk of her lower lip in the process. And I can't figure out how this could have happened because he happens to be a sweet guy which is VERY afraid of people so, under normal circumstances, he would never take the initiative to approach anybody and much less attack. But he was kept in a small cage, not handled correctly, given the wrong diet, had no firm schedules or routines and was kept at a human light schedule for 17 years so I can only guess that he was so overly hormonal and despondent that he reacted very badly when she did something that must have upset him. And taking into consideration that Lily is acting a bit unpredictable, I am very concerned.
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Re: umbrella cockatoo pecking.

Postby GMV » Wed Jul 16, 2014 12:48 pm

i honestly thought i was too young as well, but a free parrot, and a friend in need is an offer i couldn't resist. ( she was owned by a friend, who slept all day and worked all night. so could not meet her needs)
anyway, lily's 7-8 yrs old.
she likes me the most of my family, and only cuddles me.
i wake up with her and feed and water her, then give her breadsticks while i have my coffee. (yes i know coffee is dangerous for birds, so i keep it out of reach) i interact with her all day , as she is living in my room :D
my parents also think it is an exited bite, like a cat. if it is this, any advice on how to stop this behavior?
either way, i don't think she is meaning to harm me. (i hope)
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Re: umbrella cockatoo pecking.

Postby Wolf » Wed Jul 16, 2014 5:41 pm

We really need for you to watch her closely so you can let us know what she is doing just before she bites you. Things like is she raising her crest, does she fluff her feathers or does she flatten them, watch her eyes and let us know what she is doing with them, what about her tail feathers, does she do anything with them? These are all communications if you are a bird and will usually precede any bites. Since I don't have cockatoos, I don't know what there body language is but they all use body language. Also what you are doing at these time will help to decipher what is happening. The time of day as well as what time she gets up in the morning and when she goes to bed and what exposures to artificial lighting would help. Diet plays a role in all parrots behaviors so what her diet is would also help. They are very sensitive creatures and they react much quicker than we do to their environment as well as any changes in it.
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Re: umbrella cockatoo pecking.

Postby GMV » Thu Jul 17, 2014 9:37 am

she doesn't look abnormal in any way, and has the same diet her old owners kept her on.
her crest is not up, but not flat, tail is the same, eyes are the same googly cuteness.
(she is perfect with her old owners)
but i have a question. could it be territorial, she sleeps slightly above me, by the side of my bed.
this morning i woke up, and we put her down on my bed and she immediately pecked both me and my mom. i researched cockatoos are very territorial around their ground space.

anyway, i think i narrowed the possibility's down to a few things.
exited biting, territorial, sexual, or playing.
if you have any other possibilities please do share. :D
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Re: umbrella cockatoo pecking.

Postby Wolf » Thu Jul 17, 2014 9:52 am

I am sorry but, I don't think that anyone here knows the old owners or what they were feeding her. Also I don't know how often she sees the old owners but it could be a part of the problem.
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Re: umbrella cockatoo pecking.

Postby GMV » Thu Jul 17, 2014 9:55 am

well, it means she acts fine on her diet. or atleast she did at her old owners place, do you want to know the brand name of the food? she saw her old owners once, and we had her for 2-3 weeks.
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Re: umbrella cockatoo pecking.

Postby Pajarita » Thu Jul 17, 2014 10:11 am

Oh, my dear, please ask your parents to read this because it's VERY important! I am sorry but keeping a rehomed 7-8 year old cockatoo in your room as your personal bird is a tragedy waiting to happen. You are VERY young and have no experience with these birds! They are not easy birds to keep, not even for an adult and not even for people with lots of experience. And I can tell you right off the bat that she is NOT on a good diet and eating too much protein (which makes them aggressive!) because there is no one food out there that is a complete diet for cockatoos which need A LOT of plant material (you did not mention a single fruit, vegetable of leafy green when we asked you about the diet). Just because she has been eating something for the last 8 years, it doesn't mean it's a good diet. I have a bird that ate wild bird seed for over 25 years and it destroyed her liver and kidneys. And 2 weeks is nothing! She is still in her honeymoon period and already biting so we are talking a very dangerous situation here! In another two to four weeks, she will start showing her true colors and will bite in earnest. I hope from the bottom of my heart that I am wrong but I don't think so, I really don't. Birds are ALWAYS on their best behavior during the honeymoon period (even aggressive ones don't attack) but, as soon as they realize this is their home to stay, they change and become much more self-assured and assertive and that means biting. If she is already biting now, she will do it even worse in another two weeks and a bad bite from these birds will send you to the emergency room! God forbid she bites your face!

Please, please, reconsider! A free bird sounds great but you are biting more than you can chew here.
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Re: umbrella cockatoo pecking.

Postby GMV » Thu Jul 17, 2014 10:24 am

i read it to my parents, but are you sure? i fell in love with lily! is a cockatoo the wrong large bird to start with? i saw her interact with the old owners, and she was a saint. she let her owners do anything to her. dangle her, and even grab her tongue.
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Re: umbrella cockatoo pecking.

Postby Pajarita » Thu Jul 17, 2014 10:59 am

Yes, I am sure. All my birds are either rescues or rehomes (I ran a bird rescue for 6 years) and I can tell you with certainty that the 'honeymoon' period holds true for every bird that goes to a new home. And I can tell you with certainty that cockatoos bites are dangerous, you can end up with half a lip or half an eyebrow or worse!

It's possible to have a cockatoo which doesn't bite out of aggression but even with them you have to be careful how you handle them. My Freddy doesn't bite me, he is the sweetest thing ever and I can do ANYTHING with him and he never even nips me but he goes after other people and I have ended up with black and blues from him nonetheless - they have super strong beaks which they use as a hand and, on occasion, he has grabbed on to my arm just to keep his balance and gave me a large bruise in the process. So, just because his previous owners could do anything with her doesn't mean any of you can do it too and, even, if you had the experience and know-how, it doesn't meant she won't hurt you. You couldn't even keep your young and tiny GCC from biting and chose instead to clip it, how are you going to prevent such a large bird from it? Clipping a cockatoo doesn't have the same effect that it does on a GCC, cockatoos can walk and hop real fast and will attack your feet mercilessly if upset with you - one single bite and you'll end up with a broken toe!
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Re: umbrella cockatoo pecking.

Postby GMV » Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:03 am

i know my GCC best, as i am its owner. delight has a big, individual personality, and i DID keep his biting under control. i let my other birds fly, and the whole discussion about delight was that i wanted to let him fly again, and needed help. i have little experience with free flight, but a lot of experience with delight. the safest place to fly is an aviary, in which we will build soon. i did not clip[ delights wings because of biting, but for safety, the biting was just another plus.
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